[AT] Starting Problem - Allis B

[LeRoy Price III]

Yup, it mounts with a large setscrew.  I can check the grounds.  The starter 
switch is new.  Actually the restore on it was completed early this year.  
So the wiring is new.  Its always been hard to start requiring a fully 
charged battery but if I can start other tractors with the same battery then 
I think I can rule out the battery.  I did remove the connection on the 
starter switch and re-cleaned those.  Now the starter did get a bit hot and 
smoked a bit from around that strap.


>From: "Francis Robinson" <robinson at svs.net>
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>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: RE: [AT] Starting Problem - Allis B
>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:24:34 -0500
>
>	Check the grounds...
>	Check the grounds...
>	Check the grounds...
>
>	It could be a bad starter but maybe not.
>	As I recall that starter mounts with a big setscrew and a locknut. My C
>develops a ground weakness between the starter and the bell-housing now and
>then. Usually pulling the starter out of its hole and cleaning all
>contacting surfaces takes care of it. You can also disassemble that manual
>starter switch under the starter and clean the contacts.
>	Don't forget to check the tractor end of the ground strap. Also it could 
>be
>a bad inner surface in the battery end cable clamp. There is an action that
>occurs which I can't explain but maybe someone else can. This action leaves
>a surface on the inside of the terminal (and sometimes on the post) that is
>like a different hard metal that is not a good conductor. I'm not talking
>about just corrosion. This seems a little like the process they used to use
>on the old aluminum block Chevy Vega's where they used process to remove 
>the
>soft material of the cylinder walls to leave a hard silicon? Surface a few
>thousands thick. They then ran the pistons directly against the hard
>material instead of sleeving. When that hard surface forms inside of a lead
>terminal it is usually too hard to remove with a wire brush. I have a
>tapered reamer made for battery terminals to clean them up to a new 
>surface.
>Hopefully someone else can explain this action better than I can. BTW, More
>recently I have been buying all brass battery terminals and I like them a
>"LOT" better.
>	A trick I learned from a young mechanic some years ago was to go all over
>spraying a tiny bit of WD-40 on each connection on the engine. Then when 
>you
>put the load on it any weak connection will smoke. Simple trick, but I have
>found a lot of bad connections that looked good by doing that. I found one
>like that on my old 4x4 truck last week on the starter side of the 
>solenoid.
>Actually I think I was using PB-Blaster then.
>	I just bought  a  very nice well cared for 1999 8 passenger Chevy Astro
>about a week ago to replace the 1975 WUV. I had the hood up and was looking
>around. I can't claim to have actually seen it but logic tell me that there
>absolutely must be an engine in there somewhere...   ;-)
>
>
>--
>"farmer"
>
>The brave may not live forever but the easily frightened may never live at
>all.
>
>Francis Robinson
>Central Indiana, USA
>robinson at svs.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>Guys,
>
>I have an Allis B that I'm having a problem starting.  The other weekend I
>put in a battery and its spun it over and almost caught a few times.  Then
>it gave up and so did the battery, actually the battery wouldn't turn it
>over anymore nor on another tractor.
>
>Anyway, I just got one battery charge which is a minor feat lately.  
>Anyway,
>I used the battery to get a MH Pacer started and running.  Turned it over
>fine.  Put the same battery in the Allis and it just fizzles.  You can here
>the starter trying to do something but it just gets hot.   So I tried a 12
>volt on the same tractor, same problem sits and fizzles.  So I took the 6v 
>I
>had just tried in the Allis (and had started the Pacer) and put it in my JD
>40S.  Started it right up.
>
>Ok, do I have a bad starter?  Anything I can try?  Suggestions?
>
>LeRoy
>
>
>
>
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