[AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????

Thu Jan 12 08:08:15 PST 2006

In looking at Malcom's book "A Specialized Look Into the Unstyled Model A" 
there were 3 different power lifts used.  Each being a progressive 
improvement over the other.  The last the AA1100 was very popular and was 
also sold for a retrofit to older tractors.  The serial number range was 
from PL30000 to PL60000.  I would guess that after 1938, serial numbers were 
dropped.
Jim
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Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????


> Jim:
>
> I have observed that phenomenon but I haven't quite figured out when that
> occurred. Maybe some more research in the registry books I have will
> determine that. However, if it occurred in the early styled series I'm 
> dead
> in the water as I don't have the reference registry information on any of
> the styled letter series.
>
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Showers
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:56 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
> I don't recall the year, but at some point, they stopped putting serial
> number tags on the power lifts.
> Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>
>
>> Jim:
>>
>> Thanks.  I wasn't aware of any direct correlation (relationship) between
>> serial numbers on Power Lifts vs Tractors other than I have made an
>> assumption that the power lift serial numbers were issued sequentially 
>> and
>> that they were installed on tractors as they came down the production
>> line.
>> So I also have made an assumption that there is a first and last serial
>> number and that someplace there may have been recorded what the first and
>> last per model year were and maybe even by tractor model identification.
>> Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
>>
>> In looking through the Unstyled G Production register it appears that the
>> last Power Lift serial number was recorded on a 1939 G shipped in March 
>> of
>> 1993 as serial # G 8385 as PL Ser # 2819. But there were much higher PL
>> ser
>> #'s shipped on earlier G tractors such as 4406 but in general the highest
>> PL
>> ser number shipped with unstyled G's was in the low 3000's. Looks like
>> there
>> Power Lifts got pretty mixed up within about a range of 200 to 300 serial
>> numbers.
>>
>> Now relative to the unstyled B production register:   It appears the
>> highest
>> serial # PL recorded was 40385 but it was shipped much earlier than the
>> end
>> of production of the unstyled B's. Lowest PL ser # I have found is B138.
>> The
>> B prefix appears to have been randomly dropped in early 1935.
>>
>> I'm not aware that an unstyled A production register has been published 
>> by
>> Two Cylinder Magazine. Although I assume, they do have the data to do so.
>>
>> So what is the bottom line of all this? If for example you have a missing
>> serial # tag on an unstyled B or G but it has a Power Lift with readable
>> serial number tag, there is a possibility you might be able to identify
>> what
>> the tractor serial number might have been. Assuming the PL hasn't been
>> changed or added after factory shipping. Kind of shaky grounds but better
>> than nothing I guess.
>>
>> As far as PL ser # ranges to correlate with tractor serial number ranges,
>> it
>> appears one may only be able to get within a couple 100 serial #'s or so
>> at
>> best. Not very helpful.
>>
>> Hopefully someone on the list can add more clarity to this than what I
>> have
>> been able to uncover. I would describe the above data as having ones feet
>> firmly planted in mid air.
>>
>> I am still very confused as to why the Production Registers published by
>> Two
>> Cylinder Magazine didn't sell well enough for them to publish more. As I
>> recall, I paid something like $9.00 to $10.00 each for mine when they had
>> a
>> sale on them a few years ago. I would buy any additional ones published 
>> in
>
>> a
>> heartbeat. There is a wealth of knowledge in them with value way past
>> their
>> purchase cost.  Some things don't compute in this area. Was it a 
>> marketing
>> issue? Or is the production cost so high that there is an unreasonable
>> breakeven quantity? Got me!
>>
>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>
>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Showers
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:56 PM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>> I believe the book on the unstyled A mentions them.  My 1936 A had one 
>> and
>> the serial # of the power lift in no way corresponded with the tractor
>> number.  The earlier power lifts were numbered, but the later ones were
>> not.
>> I just thought to add to the confusion.
>> Jim Showers
>>
>> --- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>> To: "AT JD" <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:10 AM
>> Subject: [AJD] Power Lift Serial Number vs Tractor Serial Number????
>>
>>
>>> Is there some published reference anywhere that lists the power lift
>>> serial
>>> numbers vs what tractor model and serial number they were used on? Or
>>> some
>>> range or some reference of any kind to get a general correlation.  Now I
>>> know these could be added or removed at the dealer and changed by owners
>>> so
>>> the records probably can be used as ball park only but....
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that JD recorded the power lift serial numbers in some
>>> of
>>> the production records for the earlier unstyled tractors. I have the
>>> unstyled B registry maybe something can be gleaned from that. But what
>>> about
>>> the A's and G's, etc?
>>>
>>> My guess is someone with hopefully an ANAL personality has done some 
>>> kind
>>> of
>>> research into this.
>>>
>>> Why am I asking?  I just ran into a reference where a "B" power (PTO)
>>> shaft
>>> part number "where/when used" information was not tied to the tractor
>>> serial
>>> number but to the Power Lift Serial number.  That is something I hadn't
>>> run
>>> into before on power shafts.
>>>
>>> And yes, I can get the serial number off of the Power Lifts I have on my
>>> tractors but is there some general reference document that provides more
>>> encompassing info in this area?
>>>
>>> Dean A. Van Peursem
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>> Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>
>>> www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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