[AT] 3Ph, etc. now ramble (born free taxed till death)

[Cecil Bearden]

So your power cost is probably about 10% higher than ours.  It seems like 
your countrymen are the leaders in power generation from what I read.... 
Our engineers are having a hard time finding jobs since the manufacturing 
jobs are going overseas (china).  and I too am not trying to start something 
with that statement.

If I register my  old tractors with the county, they cost anywhere from $8 
to $35 for my D6 CAT per year in property taxes...  I have to have at least 
one on the books to qualify for tax free farm fuel....

Cecil in OKla
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Well that is really a hard question to answer. We pay for the net on one
bill and the electricity on one other. On the net bill we have one yearly
fee that varies depending on the size of the headfuse/s, up to 3 times
16A(standard) it's very small differences when you goes beyond that it
becomes expensive. We pay the netowner (E.off)121 USD a year for 3X16A and
then we pay them 2.85 cents/kWh. Then we pay our elctricitydistributor 23
USD/year, 3.74 cents/kWh for electricity, 3.29 cent/kWh energytax and then
we pay 0.36 cents/kWh as electricalcertifikatefee (fine word for another
tax).
On all those fees we pay 25% VAT (incl. the taxes, at this point I think
I'll have to clarify that I'm not kidding!). This means that we pay 180 USD
a year (I believe that you could not even cut that in half if you go to
single phase 6A) and 12.80 cents/kWh (6.21 are taxes and VAT) and we
probably pay below average for swedish private customers.
Earlier we had cheap electricity here but now with a government in hands of
the enviromentalparty we don't. This means that the only industries (paper
and metal) that have been reluctant to leave Sweden for low sallery
countries also are dissapearing now. Before we know we will be in your third
world gang ;-)
Confused? Blame the Swedish government. I have no intention to start a
political conversation but I believe it would have been impossible to answer
your question without mentioning some politics. As tractor referense I can
tell you that since I don't use my David Brown other than on the farm I
don't have to pay tax for it :-) but I have to pay a yearly 5 USD
registerkeepingfee (again not kidding).
If this don't get to the list in a few hours (I had messages undelivered
for weeks lately) it's definetively the governments fault!

Mattias
Born free! Taxed till death.   (and in fact probably even after death)

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Mattias:
What does power cost in your country.  Here, I am a small user of 3 phase
and I think it runs about $.11 per KWH   single phase is about $.10 per KWH.
we are on an electric Cooperative.

Cecil in OKla
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Mattias:

Relax, a little friendly ribbing was intended.  No flame was intended but we
do tend to protect our country from inappropriate ridicule.

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

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Maybe I sometimes speaks some french :-o But I have no french relatives and
I don't feel any other relationship with those frogs :-o And it wasn't me
who said that the worlds greatest United States of America is a third world
country. But go a head and flame me. Maybe you can reunite with the french
and do it, sil vous plait ;-)

/Mattias (and we sometimes have only one or two phases or none at home Quite
often this time of the year And that is thanks to the ¤&¤# Fritz's at E.on
commonly known as E.off)

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Mattias:

You have been spending too much time with your French relatives. :-)

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm



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First I was surprised that so few of you have 3phase. But on the other hand
it feels like some should not have electricity at all or at least not try to
do something with it. I thought we had a elctrical system from the 19 th
century but you guy's made me feel really modern. Here are only small or old
apatments that hav only 1ph.

/Mattias

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