[AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol
charlie hill
chill8 at cox.net
Mon Sep 5 11:53:30 PDT 2005
Larry just as I said, those are the EPA gas mileage numbers for those
vehicles. They are on the site at WWW.GM.com
You have to select either GMC or Chevrolet. Then pick a vehicle.
I chose 1500 series 2 wd truck. Then if you poke around enough you will
find a link to fuel mileage and a drop down list that let's you select
vehicle and drive train options for the EPA data. I chose 5.3 L engine.
You won't see an ethanol option. Instead you will see that engine listed
twice. First it will say something like 5.3 350-500
Then below that it will say something like 5.3 430-610 (the xxx-xxx) are
made up by me but they are similar to what the list shows.
One of them will be the ethanol option the other the gasoline option and it
will tell you that after you click on it. Also if you look you will find
the numbers for Chevy/GMC hybrid electric truck.
I'm sorry I didn't furnish the link. I accidentially clicked out of it and
didn't feel like trying to find it again.
Here is the way I knew the data was available on the web site.
About 2 years ago or so MSN posted mileage numbers for pickup trucks on
their home page. They showed the Chevy Silverado as the worst gas guzzler
in the field. They showed a 1500 Z71 extended cab at about 9 mpg. I knew
that wasn't true because friends of mine own them. I started poking around
their web site and found the data that MSN had used. I sent MSN a letter
and chewed them out for posting misleading information. I ACTUALLY got a
reply and an apology. However, to my knowledge, they never posted a
retraction.
You can easily enough find out how EPA gets their fuel economy numbers. I
don't believe they are theoretical but are from actual test on some sort of
closed course. I believe the results are for E85.
Theoretically it is easy enough to figure out. You can easily find out the
BTU's per gallon of E85 and the BTU's per gallon of 87 octane gasoline.
Assuming that the engines are properly set up to run on the two fuels and
are optimally tuned the gas mileage ratios should line up linearly with the
BTU ratios.
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol
>I can't find the website you're referring to, Charlie, but there
> shouldn't be that much difference in the ethanol and gasoline figures.
> If the gasoline figures are right, then the ethanol figures should be
> 15.3 city and 19.2 hwy. Take a look at:
> http://www.ethanolrfa.org/factfic_enperf.html.
>
> As with all things off of the Internet, all the information that you see
> has to be treated with a healthy amount of skepticism.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:20 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol
>
> Data Source GM.com/EPA Fuel Economy figures
>
> 2005 Chevy Silverado 5.3 L 2 WD
>
> Ethanol 12 city 16 hwy 14 avg
>
> Gasoline 16 city 20 hwy 18 avg
>
> Hybrid Electric
>
> 18 city
>
> 21 hwy
>
> 19.5 Avg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol
>
>
>>I don't know what the percentage is that has been mandated in Iowa. I
>> suspect it's considerably lower than the 10% limit. For all I know,
>> it's no more potent than dumping a jug of Heet or Dri-Gas in every
>> tankful of regular. Back in the early 80's I bought gasohol all the
>> time for a Mazda GLC that we ran at that time. It ran for better than
>> 120,000 miles with no major engine work. The body and other items
>> finally fell apart on it so we traded it in on a Nissan in 1988. I'm
>> sorry folks, but I have had nothing but good experience with the
> alcohol
>> blends and don't find any problems with them.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:33 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on
> ethanol
>>
>> Larry, keep in mind that any blend of alcohol over 10% voids the
>> warrantee on most vehicles built in the US. That is one thing the
> folks
>> who are mandating the higher level blends haven't figured out the
> answer
>> to yet. The officials don't seem to care about it.
>>
>> Steve Williams
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 9:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on
> ethanol
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for speaking out, Spencer. I appreciate it. My wife and I
>> just
>>> returned from spending nearly a month on the road touring across the
>>> country everywhere from western Pennsylvania to central Colorado and
>>> back. Of course the octane rating of the available gas blend changes
>>> considerably across the country depending on the elevation etc.
>> Typical
>>> low grade gas in the low elevations is 87, but along the eastern
> slope
>>> of the Rockies, it's 85. All across Nebraska and Iowa, they're
>> blending
>>> the low grade gas with ethanol to get the mid-grade fuel but are
>> selling
>>> it for less than the low grade because of subsidies. I used the
>> ethanol
>>> blend (89) in the Jeep for better than 1000 miles and had better
>> mileage
>>> with it than with the regular blend. If I have the story right, the
>>> ethanol blend is now mandated in Iowa.
>>>
>>> Casey's convenience stores typically sell two grades of gasoline --
>>> unleaded regular and the ethanol blend. Their pricing varies, but
> most
>>> of the time they sell both octanes at the same price and every once
> in
>> a
>>> while the ethanol blend is a nickel per gallon cheaper. But of
> course
>>> I'm talking about what conditions were like before Katrina.
>>>
>>> As we are accustomed to saying on this list -- YMMV. :-)
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>> Yost
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:15 PM
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Subject: Re[2]: [AT] Re[2]: [Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol
>>>
>>> The purpose of my original post was simply correct a very common
>>> misconception and hopefully instill some semblance of academic rigor
>> to
>>> the
>>> debate and not let people get away with saying whatever they want to
>> say
>>> without justification, verification, supporting data and the like.
>> The
>>> purpose was NOT to advocate ethanol as a viable alternative to
>> gasoline.
>>>
>>> Also, I could not corroborate your data. All the sources I checked
>>> (fueleconomyone.com, the EPA, etc), all listed about a 20% drop in
>>> economy,
>>> not the 66%+ you indicated. Must have been some other problems with
>>> your
>>> vehicle(ie tuning, etc).
>>>
>>> Spencer Yost
>>> Owner, ATIS
>>> Plow the Net!
>>> http://www.atis.net
>>>
>>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>>
>>> On 9/4/2005 at 3:20 PM DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >Spencer after being involved in one the government studies using 85
>>> >percent
>>> >ethanol and 15 percent gasoline I can tell you that those figures
>> had
>>> to
>>> >be
>>> >made up or just plain biased because in the actual test we burned
> as
>>> much
>>> >gas
>>> >as we would have before the change over. also we had to burn all
>> that
>>> >ethanol.
>>> >I wonder where some people get there test figures from. We sure
>>> couldn't
>>> >do
>>> >any better 5 to 6 MPG in a Chevy S 10 4 banger. Had to put a 40
>> gallon
>>> >fuel
>>> >tank on them to get back home from a town trip.
>>> >
>>> >Of course we may have just been bad drivers or something thing like
>>> that
>>> >but
>>> >I still say its not going to work and if it did them why don't we
> see
>>> >more
>>> >of it. I would like to use ethanol if it was practical but its not.
>>> >
>>> >Walt Davies
>>> >Cooper Hollow Farm
>>> >Monmouth, OR 97361
>>> >503 623-0460
>>> >
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