[Farmall] running a Farmall H on ethanol

[Larry L Hardesty]

The differences in views may be less a question of rumors, debunking and 
wishful thinking than different analysis, different consideration of 
facts, and different timing among those looking at the situation.  There 
are plenty of sources on the Internet for the debate but the following is 
(in my humble opinion) fairly balanced: 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/27/ETHANOL.TMP


    I hope that ethanol does pay off, but in this area with the drought in 
this area and increase in fuel prices, it sure looks like we are using a 
lot of expensive fossil fuels to produce what goes to the ethanol plants 
and there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. 

Now to antique tractors....wasn't one of the selling points for purchasing 
the first tractor is that the farmer did not have to feed it all year like 
the horses/mules?   Maybe horses/mules did not pay out either at the time 
so we now have antique tractors.   Lots of ways to look at things.

Larry H. 






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And the USDA doesn't have a horse in that race either......OK, back to 
antique tractors....

At 01:52 PM 9/4/05 -0400, you wrote:
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>On 9/4/2005 at 9:19 AM Tommy Wilson wrote:
> >That is if you throw away all the studies that show that it burns just 
as
> >much dinosaur fuel to produce the ethanol so you aren't saving anything 
in
>
> >the end. It does help the farmers, but doesn't save any fuel....
> >
>
>Not to pick on you Tommy, but I have seen this on the AT tractor list too
>and I hear it often enough elsewhere -  I can't keep quiet.
>
>In short:  This is an untrue rumor that just won't die.  All crops based
>fuels have better efficiency than anything else.  Below is just one study
>in dozens that have shown it.  It is a USDA/DOE research on whether 
biofuel
>should displace solar and petrochemical fuels but specifically discusses
>this point.  Here is the link:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
>
>To quote for those who don't want to read the whole article right now:
>
>" A 1998 joint study by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the U.S.
>Department of Agriculture (USDA) traced many of the various costs 
involved
>in the production of Biodiesel and found that overall, it yields 3.2 
units
>of fuel product energy for every unit of fossil fuel energy consumed. [3]
>That measure is referred to as the energy yield. A comparison to 
petroleum
>diesel, petroleum gasoline and bioethanol using the USDA numbers can be
>found at the Minnesota Department of Agriculture website. In the 
comparison
>petroleum diesel fuel is found to have a 0.843 energy yield, along with
>0.805 for petroleum gasoline, and 1.34 for bioethanol. The 1998 study 
used
>soybean oil primarily as the base oil to calculate the energy yields. It 
is
>conceivable that higher oil yielding crops could increase the energy 
yield
>of Biodiesel."
>
>I wanted to post this to straighten out the facts so folks can make
>informed choices.  Also I needed to steer discussion back to subjects
>antique tractors are relevant in (-;   Rising this nation's fuel would be
>relevant.
>
>PS  The USDA says ethanol is has 1.62 efficiency ratio, not the 1.34
>Minnesota found
>
>Spencer Yost
>Owner, ATIS
>Plow the Net!
>http://www.atis.net
>
>
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Tommy Wilson
Hattiesburg, MS
1950 IH H
1951 JD B
1952 IH SC


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