[Farmall] Images of Jim Moran's McCormick Deering 10-20, etc.

[James Moran]

Bob Currie <tractors at foothill.net> wrote:  
>Anybody recognize the magneto on Jim's 10-20?  Maybe Fairbanks-Morse?  It 
>doesn't look like an IHC product.
>I like that starting instruction decal.  Where is it on the tractor?
  **  The mag is not the original.  However, I would not be  shocked if that original equipment was to be found somewhere around the  property.  It is my understanding that those (o.e.) parts are not  too hard to find, though a bit pricey.
  A while ago, a knowledgeable fellow visited and took down that serial  number off of the plate you mentioned.  He and a fellow by the  name of Mike Sloane cross-referenced that information and declared it  to be a 1925 unit.  Of course, I have no clue as to the truth of  that.  Tell you what...I will try to "re-read" that number and  pass it on to you for verification.  This much I DO know...it  ain't a 1995 model :-)
  What "need fixin'" as you term it is probably fairly standard for a  machine that sat un-used for so long.  While it was sheltered, the  rodents of this world had a field day.  They established residency  and, not being too particular about their personal toilet habits,  urinated throughout.  That having been said, it is probable that  the head will have to be pulled and the pistons/valves (especially at  #1) will have to be massaged.  On the plus side, the clutch seems  to be fairly free.  The gasoline tank's cap will not come off  without "persuasion" and I have not applied any force to it.  I  would imagine that it will have to be removed and soaked and, then,  thourougly cleaned to remove the "varnish" which, undoubtedly, has set  up.  Also, the radiator looks good.
  The fuel mixture decale is plastered on the shroud just to the left of  the operator's seat.  It is readable and warns that if the  settings are not correct it will make...."starting impossible".   Note, too, there is a decal on the air intake with "instructions" as to  its care and feeding.
  Frankly, the restoration (to any degree whatsoever) of this item will  require someone with more time (and MUCH more skill and experience)  than I possess.  Several fellows (probably much like you) have  come forward, expressing interest in making a purchase.  The same  goes for the hit and miss (IHC M, or something like that) engine.   The offering for the M/D is in the $600-$800 range.  The thing  weighs in the 4,000 pound range, I would guess, so I wonder what it is  worth in pure scap metal value.
  Jim Moran
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Jim, I've waited awhile to add my 2 cents worth, but I'd like to add to 
others comments. You seem to be focusing on the mechanical issues right 
now, with some good advice from list members so I would like to talk of the 
over all machine. First of all, that is a very nice original 10-20. 
Especially with some of the original paint still showing, and much of the 
original decals, or "transfers" as they were called in those days. You are 
calling it a a 1925 model but I would question that. On the serial plate 
attached to the fuel tank support is a five or six digit serial number 
which is proceeded by "KC". It may take a little rubbing, or use of some 
fine steel wool, but it appears from the picture that the other stamped 
numbers on that plate are readable, so I'm thinkin' the serial number would 
be also.  That serial number will tell us what year the tractor was 
produced. As Karl mentioned, and from the picture, it appears the magneto 
is a later model Fair Banks Morse, possibly a  type "FM", which I have on 
one of my McCormick Deerings.  It was common to upgrade from the old IH 
model E4A or Splitdorf 46C, if it truly is one of the earlier 10-20 
McCormicks. But the main reason I question the model year, is the exhaust 
positioning. In mid year 1929, they re-positioned that exhaust  pipe. For 
the earlier models it  ran back through the fuel tank support stand and 
then turned 90 degrees to face outward. There was no cut out in the side 
curtain. The tractors produced in late 29 and thereafter had the bottom 
rear of the left side curtain cut out to accommodate the rerouting of that 
exhaust pipe. From the picture, I can't see the lower portion of your side 
curtain as it is turned upside down, but the exhaust pipe is plainly 
visible and looks to be the later style.  I would also add that the intake 
and exhaust manifolds appear to be in excellent shape, which is a 
tremendous plus in the preservation of your tractor. Karl also mentioned 
the fuel mixture decal. It is in excellent shape wherein you can still make 
out the gold border. I have only seen this decal in pictures of the Farmall 
Regular, F-20 and F-30. So I too would be interested in knowing exactly 
where it is positioned on the tractor and it's exact size. Any close up 
digital photos would be appreciated. I have had several requests to re 
produce this decal and would like to know more about yours.  Lastly, I 
would mention that the only part I see missing from the tractor is the air 
breather cap and screen which attach to the top of the air intake pipe. No 
big deal, as they are readily available. I believe your efforts are 
worthwhile if you care about  the older farm and industrial machinery. You 
have an excellent example of an original, unaltered  10-20 standard, which 
displays much work history as it quietly sits there in your shop.

bobcurrie
ps. pull the head off and you'll probably find what needs fixin'


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