[AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap -Fraud second chances

Tue Nov 8 19:46:33 PST 2005

To all: You forward suspicious emails to Ebay at spoof at ebay.com
The same goes for suspicious emails from PayPal, they go to spoof at paypal.com

Bruce Mahr

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wiebelhaus" <bwiebelhaus at cox.net>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap -Fraud second chances


> You can and should email the fradulent offers to Ebay. They have 
> department that will check on the problem and take appropriate action. 
> They have information on how to spot fraud and like the earlier post 
> indicated, a different seller. I have had two of these attempts in the 
> last three weeks. Both on tractors that had much higher bids.
> Brad
>
> Ed Allandar wrote:
>
>>Garrell's right.
>>I had the same thing happen to me with a hit & miss engine last week. I 
>>knew
>>the seller, form dealing with him in the past. Auction closed and about 5
>>days later I received a 2nd chance offer, but it was a different seller.
>>Looked at the seller's history, he had six different seller aliases in the
>>past year, and they were in France, not good old Pennsylvania.
>>The other interesting thing was the fraudulent seller had a series of
>>positive feedbacks on each seller profile, but when you looked at them 
>>they
>>were all from the same bidder.
>>Buyers beware.
>>Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]  On Behalf Of
>>G.Dombaugh
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:33 AM
>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap -Fraud second chances
>>
>>Good Morning all....
>>Be very careful of the "Second Chance" offers, especially on the higher
>>ticket items.
>>About a 6 months ago I bid $2150.00 for a like new (but older) 345 JD 
>>mower.
>>The mower sold
>>for something like $3100.00.  I get this official looking email that had
>>eBay's name on it
>>giving me a "second chance" offer at my price. (Obviously, this didn't 
>>sound
>>quite right.)
>> Since I had already spoken to the seller once, I called him back and the
>>"second chance" offer did not come from him.  It was a FRAUD offer that
>>requested my immediate payment to secure the mower and they would even
>>pay the freight to my location to make it more enticing.  If I had sent 
>>the
>>money I would have been out
>>the $2150.00 with NO MOWER.     .... eBay confirmed that it was a FRAUD
>>offer....
>>
>>Garrell Dombaugh
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chris C" <jdnutinwa at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am quite sure that I have had this happen to me on more than one
>>>occasion.  That is why I do not accept second chance offers unless I
>>>absolutely have to have it and/or the price is still too good to pass up.
>>>
>>>            Chris
>>>
>>>Bus Driver <mpmbd at yadtel.net> wrote:
>>>To second what Spencer has said, I think I discovered a sly shill
>>>technique
>>>on eBay. Suppose an item starts with $1.00 minimum bid. You are first
>>>bidder
>>>and bid $9.95 as your maximum bid and Ebay posts your intial bid of 
>>>$1.00.
>>>Couple of other bidders bring it up to $5.95 and you are still high
>>>bidder.
>>>Seller wonders how much you really did bid. So his shill bids until shill
>>>is
>>>the highest bidder. Auction ends. Now seller knows your maximum bid and
>>>sends you "second chance" offer of the item at $9.95. Since you had
>>>already
>>>committed to that amount, you probably will buy it at $9.95. I think this
>>>was pulled on me once.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Spencer Yost"
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:29 PM
>>>Subject: Re[2]: [AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't know the seller and I am specifically NOT accusing him of this,
>>>>
>>>but
>>>
>>>>items like this, that go for more than they could ever be worth on their
>>>>best day, remind me to mention this: Watch for shill/push bidding. The
>>>>practice is very common on Ebay - no, let me re-phrase that: It is VERY,
>>>>VERY common....
>>>>
>>>>Spencer Yost
>>>>Owner, ATIS
>>>>Plow the Net!
>>>>http://www.atis.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>>>
>>>>On 11/6/2005 at 10:58 PM greg at theoldtractorcompany.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>OMG yet again
>>>>>This is the cap I had written an article about some time ago.
>>>>>I have two of thes caps in my collection, lucky me I guess
>>>>>Wow, that is completely unreal I think
>>>>>Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Stephen
>>>>>The Old Tractor Company
>>>>>Stephen Equipment Company
>>>>>PO Box 709
>>>>>Franktown, CO 80116
>>>>>303-663-5246
>>>>>303-468-0377 FAX<<--GREAT WAY TO REACH ME!
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun Nov 6 19:39 , 'Dean VP' sent:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep, that is cool. I seem to recall my Dad having one in the 40's or
>>>>>>
>>>>50's.
>>>>
>>>>>>It may be a Fig Newton of my imagination. However, just think what 
>>>>>>$300
>>>>>>
>>>>>can
>>>>>
>>>>>>really buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>>>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Forbidden fruits create many jams!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antique-
>>>>>
>>j
>>
>>>>ohndeere-
>>>>
>>>>>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris C
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:59 PM
>>>>>>To: ATIS LIST
>>>>>>Subject: [AJD] $300 Ebay JD gas cap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I had $300 burning a hole in my pocket I think I
>>>>>>would buy this just to have it! Check out Ebay item
>>>>>>#7560234025
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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