[AJD] late B

Sun May 29 20:58:41 PDT 2005

For all who asked about obtaining this list, you may point your browser to

www.apluscomputer.com/atis/jdserial.txt

If that doesn't work for you for some reason, just let me know and I'll send 
you a copy directly.

This is a text only file, thus very short, only 3k, so modem folks will get 
it quickly.

For your reference, this is from the book published by John Deere and the 
ATIS JD list wisdom seems to indicate this is probably a calendar year 
production list, which does not quite coincide with the model year lists. 
The model number lists from JR's books will probably be the other source to 
consider but I'd not add that to my published list without permission from 
the author and owner and if I were him I'd not grant that permission, this 
information came from hard work and research and the author deserves his 
copyright rights.

You're most welcome!

B²
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy" <twilson17 at comcast.net>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] late B

> Bill,
>         I'd like a copy of your serial number list. I can see where it 
> could be very helpful. Thanks....TW
>
> PS: Back in Hattiesburg, MS this weekend after closing on our new house in 
> Ruston, LA on Friday. The movers will be here June 6 to begin the 
> packing/moving process. Somewhere along the way I'll 
> unsubscribe/re-subscribe with the new email address....TW
>
> At 08:36 AM 5/29/05 -0500, you wrote:
>>The book I've been using for reference on serial numbers is a JD 
>>publication entitled simply John Deere Tractors 1918-1976.  Brown cover 
>>paperback, I think I read a while back that John Deere did a second 
>>printing of this. Mine is from the first batch.  It contains a drawing or 
>>picture of each model covered, a brief paragraph about it, and in the back 
>>has a listing of serial numbers and model years.  I took this with me to 
>>auction sales for a few seasons, when it looked like there would be 
>>nothing selling I cared about for a bit I would go back to the van and 
>>enter the serial numbers into my palm pilot.  So I have an ascii file of 
>>the serial numbers and years for all the letter series tractors and for 
>>model E engines.  If anyone would like a copy of this text file just ask 
>>and I'll forward it to you.  I find no copyright in the book, so this is 
>>even legit as far as I'm concered.
>>
>>It's handy having this info with me at a sale, I can look up a tractor. 
>>Especially fun listening to other experts state what the tractor is, many 
>>are way off and with great certainty.  I just keep quiet, I figure this is 
>>my secret weapon at a sale to know what it is that I'm bidding on...or 
>>not!
>>
>>As far as the model vs production year, I think I read a while back that 
>>my book is indeed calendar year.  As Michael posted, for restoration 
>>purposes and getting the tractor "right" the serial number and the parts 
>>book is what is helpful, never mind the actual year.
>>
>>Been barely able to lurk the past couple of days, to say nothing of having 
>>a
>>thought left over for posting.  Got the son married off on Friday, company
>>is dwindling away, 2 more trips to the airport today and tomorrow and life
>>will return to normal.  It's been a great weekend with the new daughter in
>>law coming aboard and having folks around we've not seen for a while.  But
>>company is like fish, after about 3 days...  Looks like I'll be eating
>>potato salad for a month.
>>
>>B²
>>Bill Brueck (brick)
>>Chatfield, MN, USA
>>
>>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>>To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:50 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>>
>>
>>>Paul:
>>>
>>>All of JR Hobbs books list serial number by model year. As far as an
>>>official JD document I don't have access to the official JD archived
>>>production register info so I don't know the exact way in which they are
>>>presented.
>>>
>>>I do know this, for example, some 1953 model year JD 60's were made in 
>>>1952.
>>>This occurred repeatedly across all models. Another example: some Styled 
>>>JD
>>>B's for model year 1939 B's were made in late 1938. This is a good 
>>>example
>>>because this was the model year where JD switched from unstyled to styled
>>>B's. A very clear distinctive difference.
>>>
>>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>>storeroom door
>>>
>>>
>>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Paul O
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:44 AM
>>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>>>
>>>Good comments, Mlke
>>>I have questons about " model year". Has anyone ever seen a Deere
>>>publication which provides serial numbers by "model year"?
>>>If such a thing exists, I would like to see it!
>>>
>>>Paul O
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ostrander" 
>>><antiquejd at fwi.com>
>>>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:11 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>>>
>>>
>>>I will suggest that one of the prominent alternate lists also publish 
>>>based
>>>on Model year.  The discrepancy comes from defining the parameters of the
>>>model year.  A more useful demarcation might be just the serial number 
>>>which
>>>determines the appropriate part/casting etc.  The parts book for tractors
>>>lists the serial numbers corresponding to the part needing replacing. 
>>>Model
>>>year designations have created arbitrary values on tractors.  A prime
>>>example is the D that sold in Washington within the last 8 weeks.  It was
>>>identical in its parts and configuration but sold unrestored for more 
>>>than
>>>twice what an identical restored tractor did during the same period.  The
>>>tractors were less than 400 serial numbers apart.  Take the tags off and 
>>>you
>>>could not have told any difference between the two.  Is $6000 plus the 
>>>cost
>>>of restoration truly reflective of an objective premium for identical
>>>tractors?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of
>>>Dean VP
>>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:14 AM
>>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>>>
>>>
>>>Bill:
>>>
>>>It is interesting how serial number lists vary depending on author. JR 
>>>Hobbs
>>>lists the model year/serial number breaks as follows (See second # per 
>>>year
>>>below):
>>>It would be very helful to us collectors if we could get those who 
>>>publish
>>>these serial number lists to define their reference as Model Year, like 
>>>JR
>>>does, vs calendar year vs production year. It sure causes a lot of
>>>confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Bill Brueck
>>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:20 AM
>>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>>>
>>>Yep, that makes it a '51, Ron;.  Parts should be plenty available.  Got 
>>>one
>>>up this way about like it I may have a chance to pick up, the guy just 
>>>died
>>>a couple of months ago so there will probably be an estate sale.
>>>35 1000
>>>
>>>36 12012
>>>
>>>37 27389
>>>
>>>38 46175
>>>
>>>39 60000 vs 60000
>>>
>>>40 81600 vs 78526
>>>
>>>41 96000 vs 96000
>>>
>>>42 126345 vs 118721
>>>
>>>43 143420 vs 136315
>>>
>>>44 152862 vs 149219
>>>
>>>45 173179 vs 166880 vs 167700(Two Cylinder Club Card)
>>>
>>>46 183673 vs 179788
>>>
>>>47 199744 vs 201000 vs 191303(Two Cylinder Club card)
>>>
>>>48 216055 vs 209925
>>>
>>>49 237346 vs 230044
>>>
>>>50 258205 vs 253025
>>>
>>>51 276557 vs 275242
>>>
>>>52 299175 vs 293030
>>>
>>>
>>>B²
>>>Bill Brueck (brick)
>>>Chatfield, MN, USA
>>>
>>>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ronald L. Cook" <rlcook at pionet.net>
>>>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:53 AM
>>>Subject: [AJD] late B
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am looking at a stuck late B.  Roll-o-matic, powr-trol, cast rear
>>>>centers, decent tin with the usual hack job at the stack.  Parked 
>>>>outside
>>>>in the fence row for years.  The exhaust pipe is rusted out and there is 
>>>>no
>>>
>>>>cover over the air stack so I fear she is a really stuck old girl.  I 
>>>>will
>>>>probably buy it if we can agree on the "right" price.  My question is: 
>>>>What
>>>
>>>>year production is serial number 297912?  I am thinking it is a 1951 but 
>>>>I
>>>>have no information that says so.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Cook
>>>>Salix, IA
>>>>
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> Tommy Wilson
> Hattiesburg, MS
> 1950 IH H
> 1951 JD B
> 1952 IH SC
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