[AJD] late B

Sun May 29 14:26:31 PDT 2005

Bill,
         I'd like a copy of your serial number list. I can see where it 
could be very helpful. Thanks....TW

PS: Back in Hattiesburg, MS this weekend after closing on our new house in 
Ruston, LA on Friday. The movers will be here June 6 to begin the 
packing/moving process. Somewhere along the way I'll 
unsubscribe/re-subscribe with the new email address....TW

At 08:36 AM 5/29/05 -0500, you wrote:
>The book I've been using for reference on serial numbers is a JD 
>publication entitled simply John Deere Tractors 1918-1976.  Brown cover 
>paperback, I think I read a while back that John Deere did a second 
>printing of this. Mine is from the first batch.  It contains a drawing or 
>picture of each model covered, a brief paragraph about it, and in the back 
>has a listing of serial numbers and model years.  I took this with me to 
>auction sales for a few seasons, when it looked like there would be 
>nothing selling I cared about for a bit I would go back to the van and 
>enter the serial numbers into my palm pilot.  So I have an ascii file of 
>the serial numbers and years for all the letter series tractors and for 
>model E engines.  If anyone would like a copy of this text file just ask 
>and I'll forward it to you.  I find no copyright in the book, so this is 
>even legit as far as I'm concered.
>
>It's handy having this info with me at a sale, I can look up a tractor. 
>Especially fun listening to other experts state what the tractor is, many 
>are way off and with great certainty.  I just keep quiet, I figure this is 
>my secret weapon at a sale to know what it is that I'm bidding on...or not!
>
>As far as the model vs production year, I think I read a while back that 
>my book is indeed calendar year.  As Michael posted, for restoration 
>purposes and getting the tractor "right" the serial number and the parts 
>book is what is helpful, never mind the actual year.
>
>Been barely able to lurk the past couple of days, to say nothing of having a
>thought left over for posting.  Got the son married off on Friday, company
>is dwindling away, 2 more trips to the airport today and tomorrow and life
>will return to normal.  It's been a great weekend with the new daughter in
>law coming aboard and having folks around we've not seen for a while.  But
>company is like fish, after about 3 days...  Looks like I'll be eating
>potato salad for a month.
>
>B²
>Bill Brueck (brick)
>Chatfield, MN, USA
>
>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
>To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:50 PM
>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>
>
>>Paul:
>>
>>All of JR Hobbs books list serial number by model year. As far as an
>>official JD document I don't have access to the official JD archived
>>production register info so I don't know the exact way in which they are
>>presented.
>>
>>I do know this, for example, some 1953 model year JD 60's were made in 1952.
>>This occurred repeatedly across all models. Another example: some Styled JD
>>B's for model year 1939 B's were made in late 1938. This is a good example
>>because this was the model year where JD switched from unstyled to styled
>>B's. A very clear distinctive difference.
>>
>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>storeroom door
>>
>>
>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>Paul O
>>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:44 AM
>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>>
>>Good comments, Mlke
>>I have questons about " model year". Has anyone ever seen a Deere
>>publication which provides serial numbers by "model year"?
>>If such a thing exists, I would like to see it!
>>
>>Paul O
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ostrander" <antiquejd at fwi.com>
>>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:11 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>>
>>
>>I will suggest that one of the prominent alternate lists also publish based
>>on Model year.  The discrepancy comes from defining the parameters of the
>>model year.  A more useful demarcation might be just the serial number which
>>determines the appropriate part/casting etc.  The parts book for tractors
>>lists the serial numbers corresponding to the part needing replacing. Model
>>year designations have created arbitrary values on tractors.  A prime
>>example is the D that sold in Washington within the last 8 weeks.  It was
>>identical in its parts and configuration but sold unrestored for more than
>>twice what an identical restored tractor did during the same period.  The
>>tractors were less than 400 serial numbers apart.  Take the tags off and you
>>could not have told any difference between the two.  Is $6000 plus the cost
>>of restoration truly reflective of an objective premium for identical
>>tractors?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of
>>Dean VP
>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:14 AM
>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>>
>>
>>Bill:
>>
>>It is interesting how serial number lists vary depending on author. JR Hobbs
>>lists the model year/serial number breaks as follows (See second # per year
>>below):
>>It would be very helful to us collectors if we could get those who publish
>>these serial number lists to define their reference as Model Year, like JR
>>does, vs calendar year vs production year. It sure causes a lot of
>>confusion.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>Bill Brueck
>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:20 AM
>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>>
>>Yep, that makes it a '51, Ron;.  Parts should be plenty available.  Got one
>>up this way about like it I may have a chance to pick up, the guy just died
>>a couple of months ago so there will probably be an estate sale.
>>35 1000
>>
>>36 12012
>>
>>37 27389
>>
>>38 46175
>>
>>39 60000 vs 60000
>>
>>40 81600 vs 78526
>>
>>41 96000 vs 96000
>>
>>42 126345 vs 118721
>>
>>43 143420 vs 136315
>>
>>44 152862 vs 149219
>>
>>45 173179 vs 166880 vs 167700(Two Cylinder Club Card)
>>
>>46 183673 vs 179788
>>
>>47 199744 vs 201000 vs 191303(Two Cylinder Club card)
>>
>>48 216055 vs 209925
>>
>>49 237346 vs 230044
>>
>>50 258205 vs 253025
>>
>>51 276557 vs 275242
>>
>>52 299175 vs 293030
>>
>>
>>B²
>>Bill Brueck (brick)
>>Chatfield, MN, USA
>>
>>Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ronald L. Cook" <rlcook at pionet.net>
>>To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>><antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:53 AM
>>Subject: [AJD] late B
>>
>>
>>>I am looking at a stuck late B.  Roll-o-matic, powr-trol, cast rear
>>>centers, decent tin with the usual hack job at the stack.  Parked outside
>>>in the fence row for years.  The exhaust pipe is rusted out and there is no
>>
>>>cover over the air stack so I fear she is a really stuck old girl.  I will
>>>probably buy it if we can agree on the "right" price.  My question is: What
>>
>>>year production is serial number 297912?  I am thinking it is a 1951 but I
>>>have no information that says so.
>>>
>>>Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>>Ron Cook
>>>Salix, IA
>>>
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Tommy Wilson
Hattiesburg, MS
1950 IH H
1951 JD B
1952 IH SC