[AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off topic

[Larry D. Goss]

I've been watching the progress at a farm in the neighborhood that I
drive by on nearly a daily basis.  He plowed up his cornfield and
converted it into a lake -- on top of a hill!  There are no springs and
there basically is no watershed.  I don't know what on earth he's
thinking.  We had a two inch rain last week and all it did was settle
the construction dust.  There was no accumulation in the "lake".

Larry

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Roger Welsch
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:55 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
topic

Sorry, but no.  That was almost 20 years ago and I can hardly remember
what
my name was back then.  I do recall a guy down the road had one and
built a
huge pond for all the discard water.  The gallonage per hour did seem
huge.
His pond never got wet.  I have an old bathtub sunk at the end of the
yard
for ours and there is a small wet seep.  It's amazing how little water
it
uses.  It is about the size of a small furnace and we have a huge,
3-story,
seive-like, 9-room house.  We have a back-up electric coil that comes on
if
the heat exchanger can't keep up but the only time it has ever come on
is
when we turn up the thermostat beyond a point and it needs to crank out
the
heat.  I'd never do anything else now.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
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> Roger,  do you recall how much more it cost (percentage wise) than a
normal
> air to air heat pump would have been for your house.  We are thinking
about
> building a place and I'm trying to absorb every little bit of
information
I
> can.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Welsch" <captneb at micrord.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
topic
>
>
> > One of the few really smart things we did when we moved out here was
to
> > install a geothermal heat pump for both heating and cooling.  We
have a
> > lot
> > of subsurface water...we are on sand and about 1000 yards from the
Loup
> > River...so water is not a problem.  It's one thing to cool with
hundred
> > degree air in the summer and heat with -20 degree air in the winter,
but
> > it's quite another, we find, to use 60 degree water for both.  A
closed
> > coolant subsurface loop does the same thing without pulling up the
water
> > but
> > we find we use very little water in both heating and cooling our
huge
old
> > house even pumping and dumping (we use it to water the lawn and
trees,
so
> > it
> > gets another use before making a very small wet spot below the yard.
I
> > highly recommend the system.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
topic
> >
> >
> >> You're on the right track to eliminate all natural gas in your
house,
> >> Farmer.  When we moved into this house 16 years ago, I was not
looking
> >> forward to the utility bills, but I was mildly shocked to find that
the
> >> all-electric solution for heating, cooling, and cooking saved us
money.
> >> This house is over twice the size of the one we moved out of, but
the
> >> utility bills are lower.  The big difference -- no gas.  Since we
moved
> >> in, we've taken steps to make the use of energy more efficient than
it
> >> already was.  All windows and doors have been replaced.  The heat
pump
> >> is now a high-efficiency model.  The water heater is high
efficiency.
> >> We're replacing all the toilets with pressure flush models, etc.
> >>
> >> One of the big helps is the windows.  We had double glazed windows
with
> >> the standard unsealed storms, but now all windows and door lights
are
> >> triple glazed.  My Dad did triple glazing on the farm house where I
was
> >> born in northern Indiana.  Before he did it, he did the
calculations on
> >> the energy savings.  It turned out that the utility bill savings in
a
> >> single heating season was greater than the total added cost of the
> >> triple glazing at all the windows.  Bottom line, IMHO you can't
afford
> >> not to do it.  One of my colleagues at the university decided he
needed
> >> to do the same thing to his house, so he's changing out his windows
at
a
> >> rate of one per year.  He's doing it that way because of the limits
on
> >> energy credits on income taxes.  If he does one window per year, he
> >> stays under $1000 per year and can get credits for the whole
conversion.
> >> I suspect that he's being a bit short-sighted on that deal.  He
probably
> >> would save more money by getting the whole house converted so his
> >> utility bills would be lower immediately.
> >>
> >> Before the flames begin, you obviously can't have the house sealed
as
> >> well as it ends up being with triple glazed windows if you're using
> >> natural or LP gas for anything inside unless you provide for
combustion
> >> air.  That's even taken care of in this house.  It has combustion
air
> >> for the fireplace ducted to the hearth and the fireplace liner
provides
> >> heat to the house through separate ducting.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Indiana
> >> Robinson
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:52 AM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling
off
> >> topic
> >>
> >> On 28 Jul 2005 at 8:00, George Willer wrote:
> >>
> >> > What!!!  Turn the compressor off???  You've got to be kidding,
Dean.
> >> I
> >> > leave my system on 24/7/358, and have for many years.  I do
switch it
> >> off
> >> > when we go to Portland for the week.  Having air instantly
available
> >> at any
> >> > of the 8 outlets is just too handy to mess with turning it off
> >> anywhere.
> >> >
> >> > For Portland week only I also turn the power off to the water
system.
> >> Do
> >> > you turn your water off when you aren't using it also?
> >> >
> >> > George Willer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I also leave mine on 24-7 but I have to shut it off in cold
> >> weather since my shop is
> >> cold. It has trouble starting in cold weather. When we leave for
more
> >> than a day trip I
> >> do shut the water (and water heater) off at the breaker box.
> >>
> >> In a similar vein, 2 years ago my mother had a small leak
> >> develop in an unused natural
> >> gas wall furnace. it apparently started at the beginning of the
billing
> >> cycle and when
> >> the bill came it was $1800 high for the month. With the help of an
old
> >> school friend (I
> >> say "old" because he is a year older than I am) with the gas
company I
> >> traced it to a
> >> constant small leak to that extra furnace and shut down that line.
This
> >> was not in the
> >> heating season. The next bill had another $400 in "leak" cost on
it.
> >> Since it was on our
> >> side of the meter they would forgive none of it. I never bothered
to
> >> look for the actual
> >> leak but since all of that line was in the basement and a closed
crawl
> >> space I am
> >> assuming that it was leaking at the furnace electric control valve
and
> >> venting to the
> >> outside up on the roof. Otherwise we would have smelled it (or
blown
> >> up). I plan to
> >> remove that area furnace and replace it with an electric baseboard
> >> heater. It was an
> >> expensive Warm Morning wall unit installed to heat 2 added rooms
but it
> >> is quite noisy by
> >> design. It sounds like a wind tunnel.  I might even convert the
whole
> >> house to all
> >> electric. One less bill each month. My present house is all
electric
> >> (except my pellet
> >> stove heat {was wood}) and has been since we put it up 29 years ago
this
> >> month. I have
> >> been satisfied with the all electric. At times we thought about
other
> >> fuels when electric
> >> got a bit high but then the other fuels would jump up and down,
mostly
> >> up   ;-)  in
> >> price. My electric heat has a thermostat in each room and is
completely
> >> quiet. I have
> >> been in houses where the furnace fan was so loud that you could
hardly
> >> hear a TV above it
> >> when it kicked on. My pellet stove is a tiny bit louder than I like
> >> since it sits in a
> >> nook very near my lazyboy but at least it is constant. When I move
to
> >> the other house,
> >> probably next summer, I plan to put a large capacity corn / pellet
stove
> >> in the basement
> >> to provide most of the heat for the house and the regular basement
> >> furnace (with a quiet
> >> blower system) will be used to distribute the heat to the main
floor.
> >> The furnace burner
> >> will come on only in very cold weather if I use it at all. I might
even
> >> install electric
> >> baseboard heat in the rest of the house to take up any possible
slack
in
> >> very cold
> >> weather or I may use radiant hot water heat under the floors heated
by
> >> the corn stove. I
> >> would still like to get the gas out of the house altogether. Every
> >> couple of years there
> >> is a house destroyed by a gas explosion around here... House go
boom,
> >> fall down...  :-)
> >> There are 5 gas lines in that house. One for the furnace, one
> >> for the second furnace,
> >> one for the water heater, one for the dryer and another for an
unused
> >> gas heater that was
> >> installed in the basement when the house was built on to years ago.
> >> There is a large line
> >> to the shop and another to the old milk house. Most of those lines
are
> >> about 40 years old
> >> now and the potential for leaks is getting higher. It does not take
many
> >> $2200 leaks to
> >> eat up any possible savings...   :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> "farmer", Esquire
> >> At Hewick Midwest
> >>       Wealth beyond belief, just no money...
> >>
> >> Paternal Robinson's here by way of Norway (Clan Gunn), Scottish
> >> Highlands,
> >> Cleasby Yorkshire England, Virginia, Kentucky then Indiana. In
America
> >> 100
> >> years
> >> before the revolution.
> >>
> >>
> >> Francis Robinson
> >> Central Indiana USA
> >> robinson at svs.net
> >>
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