[AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off topic

Mark Greer greerfam at raex.com
Thu Jul 28 20:39:58 PDT 2005 

Sounds like someone who needs to be familiarized with definition of the term
the term "watershed".
Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off topic


> I've been watching the progress at a farm in the neighborhood that I
> drive by on nearly a daily basis.  He plowed up his cornfield and
> converted it into a lake -- on top of a hill!  There are no springs and
> there basically is no watershed.  I don't know what on earth he's
> thinking.  We had a two inch rain last week and all it did was settle
> the construction dust.  There was no accumulation in the "lake".
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Roger Welsch
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:55 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
> topic
>
> Sorry, but no.  That was almost 20 years ago and I can hardly remember
> what
> my name was back then.  I do recall a guy down the road had one and
> built a
> huge pond for all the discard water.  The gallonage per hour did seem
> huge.
> His pond never got wet.  I have an old bathtub sunk at the end of the
> yard
> for ours and there is a small wet seep.  It's amazing how little water
> it
> uses.  It is about the size of a small furnace and we have a huge,
> 3-story,
> seive-like, 9-room house.  We have a back-up electric coil that comes on
> if
> the heat exchanger can't keep up but the only time it has ever come on
> is
> when we turn up the thermostat beyond a point and it needs to crank out
> the
> heat.  I'd never do anything else now.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
> topic
>
>
> > Roger,  do you recall how much more it cost (percentage wise) than a
> normal
> > air to air heat pump would have been for your house.  We are thinking
> about
> > building a place and I'm trying to absorb every little bit of
> information
> I
> > can.
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Roger Welsch" <captneb at micrord.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
> topic
> >
> >
> > > One of the few really smart things we did when we moved out here was
> to
> > > install a geothermal heat pump for both heating and cooling.  We
> have a
> > > lot
> > > of subsurface water...we are on sand and about 1000 yards from the
> Loup
> > > River...so water is not a problem.  It's one thing to cool with
> hundred
> > > degree air in the summer and heat with -20 degree air in the winter,
> but
> > > it's quite another, we find, to use 60 degree water for both.  A
> closed
> > > coolant subsurface loop does the same thing without pulling up the
> water
> > > but
> > > we find we use very little water in both heating and cooling our
> huge
> old
> > > house even pumping and dumping (we use it to water the lawn and
> trees,
> so
> > > it
> > > gets another use before making a very small wet spot below the yard.
> I
> > > highly recommend the system.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:44 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling off
> topic
> > >
> > >
> > >> You're on the right track to eliminate all natural gas in your
> house,
> > >> Farmer.  When we moved into this house 16 years ago, I was not
> looking
> > >> forward to the utility bills, but I was mildly shocked to find that
> the
> > >> all-electric solution for heating, cooling, and cooking saved us
> money.
> > >> This house is over twice the size of the one we moved out of, but
> the
> > >> utility bills are lower.  The big difference -- no gas.  Since we
> moved
> > >> in, we've taken steps to make the use of energy more efficient than
> it
> > >> already was.  All windows and doors have been replaced.  The heat
> pump
> > >> is now a high-efficiency model.  The water heater is high
> efficiency.
> > >> We're replacing all the toilets with pressure flush models, etc.
> > >>
> > >> One of the big helps is the windows.  We had double glazed windows
> with
> > >> the standard unsealed storms, but now all windows and door lights
> are
> > >> triple glazed.  My Dad did triple glazing on the farm house where I
> was
> > >> born in northern Indiana.  Before he did it, he did the
> calculations on
> > >> the energy savings.  It turned out that the utility bill savings in
> a
> > >> single heating season was greater than the total added cost of the
> > >> triple glazing at all the windows.  Bottom line, IMHO you can't
> afford
> > >> not to do it.  One of my colleagues at the university decided he
> needed
> > >> to do the same thing to his house, so he's changing out his windows
> at
> a
> > >> rate of one per year.  He's doing it that way because of the limits
> on
> > >> energy credits on income taxes.  If he does one window per year, he
> > >> stays under $1000 per year and can get credits for the whole
> conversion.
> > >> I suspect that he's being a bit short-sighted on that deal.  He
> probably
> > >> would save more money by getting the whole house converted so his
> > >> utility bills would be lower immediately.
> > >>
> > >> Before the flames begin, you obviously can't have the house sealed
> as
> > >> well as it ends up being with triple glazed windows if you're using
> > >> natural or LP gas for anything inside unless you provide for
> combustion
> > >> air.  That's even taken care of in this house.  It has combustion
> air
> > >> for the fireplace ducted to the hearth and the fireplace liner
> provides
> > >> heat to the house through separate ducting.
> > >>
> > >> Larry
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > >> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Indiana
> > >> Robinson
> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:52 AM
> > >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > >> Subject: Re: [AT] OOOPS - Do as I say not as I do - now rambling
> off
> > >> topic
> > >>
> > >> On 28 Jul 2005 at 8:00, George Willer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > What!!!  Turn the compressor off???  You've got to be kidding,
> Dean.
> > >> I
> > >> > leave my system on 24/7/358, and have for many years.  I do
> switch it
> > >> off
> > >> > when we go to Portland for the week.  Having air instantly
> available
> > >> at any
> > >> > of the 8 outlets is just too handy to mess with turning it off
> > >> anywhere.
> > >> >
> > >> > For Portland week only I also turn the power off to the water
> system.
> > >> Do
> > >> > you turn your water off when you aren't using it also?
> > >> >
> > >> > George Willer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I also leave mine on 24-7 but I have to shut it off in cold
> > >> weather since my shop is
> > >> cold. It has trouble starting in cold weather. When we leave for
> more
> > >> than a day trip I
> > >> do shut the water (and water heater) off at the breaker box.
> > >>
> > >> In a similar vein, 2 years ago my mother had a small leak
> > >> develop in an unused natural
> > >> gas wall furnace. it apparently started at the beginning of the
> billing
> > >> cycle and when
> > >> the bill came it was $1800 high for the month. With the help of an
> old
> > >> school friend (I
> > >> say "old" because he is a year older than I am) with the gas
> company I
> > >> traced it to a
> > >> constant small leak to that extra furnace and shut down that line.
> This
> > >> was not in the
> > >> heating season. The next bill had another $400 in "leak" cost on
> it.
> > >> Since it was on our
> > >> side of the meter they would forgive none of it. I never bothered
> to
> > >> look for the actual
> > >> leak but since all of that line was in the basement and a closed
> crawl
> > >> space I am
> > >> assuming that it was leaking at the furnace electric control valve
> and
> > >> venting to the
> > >> outside up on the roof. Otherwise we would have smelled it (or
> blown
> > >> up). I plan to
> > >> remove that area furnace and replace it with an electric baseboard
> > >> heater. It was an
> > >> expensive Warm Morning wall unit installed to heat 2 added rooms
> but it
> > >> is quite noisy by
> > >> design. It sounds like a wind tunnel.  I might even convert the
> whole
> > >> house to all
> > >> electric. One less bill each month. My present house is all
> electric
> > >> (except my pellet
> > >> stove heat {was wood}) and has been since we put it up 29 years ago
> this
> > >> month. I have
> > >> been satisfied with the all electric. At times we thought about
> other
> > >> fuels when electric
> > >> got a bit high but then the other fuels would jump up and down,
> mostly
> > >> up   ;-)  in
> > >> price. My electric heat has a thermostat in each room and is
> completely
> > >> quiet. I have
> > >> been in houses where the furnace fan was so loud that you could
> hardly
> > >> hear a TV above it
> > >> when it kicked on. My pellet stove is a tiny bit louder than I like
> > >> since it sits in a
> > >> nook very near my lazyboy but at least it is constant. When I move
> to
> > >> the other house,
> > >> probably next summer, I plan to put a large capacity corn / pellet
> stove
> > >> in the basement
> > >> to provide most of the heat for the house and the regular basement
> > >> furnace (with a quiet
> > >> blower system) will be used to distribute the heat to the main
> floor.
> > >> The furnace burner
> > >> will come on only in very cold weather if I use it at all. I might
> even
> > >> install electric
> > >> baseboard heat in the rest of the house to take up any possible
> slack
> in
> > >> very cold
> > >> weather or I may use radiant hot water heat under the floors heated
> by
> > >> the corn stove. I
> > >> would still like to get the gas out of the house altogether. Every
> > >> couple of years there
> > >> is a house destroyed by a gas explosion around here... House go
> boom,
> > >> fall down...  :-)
> > >> There are 5 gas lines in that house. One for the furnace, one
> > >> for the second furnace,
> > >> one for the water heater, one for the dryer and another for an
> unused
> > >> gas heater that was
> > >> installed in the basement when the house was built on to years ago.
> > >> There is a large line
> > >> to the shop and another to the old milk house. Most of those lines
> are
> > >> about 40 years old
> > >> now and the potential for leaks is getting higher. It does not take
> many
> > >> $2200 leaks to
> > >> eat up any possible savings...   :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -- 
> > >> "farmer", Esquire
> > >> At Hewick Midwest
> > >>       Wealth beyond belief, just no money...
> > >>
> > >> Paternal Robinson's here by way of Norway (Clan Gunn), Scottish
> > >> Highlands,
> > >> Cleasby Yorkshire England, Virginia, Kentucky then Indiana. In
> America
> > >> 100
> > >> years
> > >> before the revolution.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Francis Robinson
> > >> Central Indiana USA
> > >> robinson at svs.net
> > >>
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