[atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question

Fri Dec 30 19:13:19 PST 2005

Sorry Stuart I should have read more carefully.  Still the bearing house 
might be able to come up with something for you if you're lucky.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Harner" <sharner at starband.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question

> Charlie,
>
> Although the seal I am looking for is not for the shaft (it is 
> rectangular) that is still a very good idea.  Here we have Interstate 
> Bearing, that we do quite a lot of business with.
>
> In this county, the other than our maintainers that are leased, every 
> other piece of equipment is something that someone else did not want. 
> From our 1950's tar truck to the newest acquisition, a 1970's Stieger 
> tractor (it had a factory 8 track player in it).  We do have 2 pickups 
> from the 90's.  If we want to use something, we have to keep it running, 
> no matter what it takes.
>
> Like Red Green says:  "If women don't find you handsome, they should at 
> least find you handy".
>
> Thanks for the suggestion,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:17 PM
> Subject: [atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
>
>
>> Stewart,  I don't know where you live but in most towns of any size or 
>> where there is some industrial plants there are bearing supply houses. 
>> The big one here in our area used to be called Dixie Bearing and it was a 
>> regional if not national outfit.  However, they changed names/ownership 
>> and I can't remember the name now.
>>
>> Anyway, if you can find one of these stores, all they sell is bearings, 
>> seals, PT chain, etc.  If you can tell them the inner and outer diameter 
>> of the seal and it's thickness they can most likely find you one that 
>> works.  I know you don't have a seal to go by but you can measure the OD 
>> of the shaft and the ID of the hub plus the depth.
>>
>> Look in the yellow pages under bearings, power transmission and 
>> industrial supplies.  You should be able to find someone.  In fact they 
>> probably have web sites these days.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Stuart Harner" <sharner at starband.net>
>> To: "atis" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:05 PM
>> Subject: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
>>
>>
>> Since things seem a little slow for tractor discussion, I will ask for 
>> some help that is sort of tractor related.
>>
>> I work for the County road dept. in the summer and we have an old wheel 
>> packer that needs some repairs.
>>
>> This unit has four tires on the front axle and six in the back.  There is 
>> a large "tub" that is filled with gravel for weight.  On the sides are 
>> placards saying "Ferguson".  The data plate on the front says made by 
>> Shovel Supply, Dallas TX.  Unfortunately, someone pushed this packer from 
>> the front and wiped the model and serial numbers from the plate.  We even 
>> removed it to see if we could read the stampings from the back, but there 
>> were rocks between the plate and the frame so the back was damaged too.
>>
>> The engine and drive train is an Oliver tractor, probably a 770 or 880. 
>> There is an Oliver data plate on it.
>>
>> The rear drive wheels are run by large roller chains that come down from 
>> the axles of the Oliver.  Of the 6 wheels on the back, the two outer ones 
>> on each side are actually drive wheels that are connected to the chain 
>> case. The center two wheels are just "tag" axles.
>>
>> The lower unit of the drive wheel holds the axle, bearings and chain 
>> sprocket.  They are attached to the chain case with bronze bushings that 
>> allow the lower unit to pivot slightly from side to side.  I suspect that 
>> this is to let one tire ride up over a bump without putting all the 
>> weight on that tire.
>>
>> The lower unit is filled to the axle level with 80/90 grease that also 
>> lubes the chain and sprockets.  There is a seal between the lower unit 
>> and the upper chain case.  This seal has to compress and expand to 
>> accommodate the rocking from side to side that the lower unit does.  On 
>> our machine, the seals are shot and all the grease runs out if you are on 
>> any kind of a side slope.  We don't know if the seals are original or if 
>> someone has improvised in the past.  In any case, the current seals look 
>> like they were poured in place.  It is a rubbery compound (not RTV) but 
>> you can definitely see the beads that were laid out.
>>
>>>From the research I was able to do on the web, it looks like this was a 
>>>10-12 ton packer probably built in the mid to late '60's.  I have not 
>>>been able to find any source for parts or manuals.  If anyone has any 
>>>information that they can provide I would appreciate it.  Even ideas on 
>>>how to make a new seal for the lower unit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stuart
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