[AT] Finally done

Thu Oct 28 11:50:11 PDT 2004

Good description, Charlie.  When you likened the snap coupler hitch to an
upside down 3 pt hitch things started to click for me.  I recall now having
seen the contraption that you've termed the traction booster underneath the
CA and WD but until now I didn't know what it was and didn't associate it
with the snap coupler hitch assembly (I had only observed the snap couplers
on the ends of the rock shaft and didn't know what else there was to the
hitch).  My Farmall MTA has the 2 pt Fast Hitch and, yes, the coupling
between that tractor hitch and implement is very rigid.  So, I think I've
got it - the snap coupler hitch is not like the 2 pt Fast Hitch but, as you
say, much more like the 3 pt only upside down.
Thanks -
Dudley
Snohomish, Washington

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
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Dudley the snap coupler is kind of like a 3 pt hitch turned upside down.
There is a coupler under the rear axle.  It has a spring loaded pin in it
and the implement (plow, harrow, whatever) has a tongue with a ring on it
much like an elongated pentil hitch ring.
You backed the tractor up to the implement.  The tongue would slide into the
hitch and snap into place.  Then bars or chains that hinged from some point
on the front of the implement would attach into the arms that extend from
the rock shaft.  That allowed the implement to be lifted and for depth
control but all the pulling was done from down under the axle.   The lift
arms (rock shaft) were hydraulically controlled by a spring loaded rod
attached to the sanp coupler down under the axle.  (the exact arangememt
varied depending on the model of tractor)  When the load (going forward) on
the implement got excessively heavy (example: plow goes to deep or hits
heavy dirt or a stump) the hydraulics would lift up on the lift arms and
transfer weight to the rear axles of the tractor (thus the traction booster
name).  The implement tongue is sort of like a fast hitch tongue except that
it rides a little lower and has a ring on the front instead of hook.  Also
the snap coupler is a less rigid hitch and would allow the implement to
swivil like a trailer being towed if the chains were not connected up to the
lift arms.

I've gotta run.  Hope that is clear if not I'll try to explain it better
later.  I guess a good picture would help most.

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Rupert" <drupert at premier1.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] Finally done

> Charlie,
> The way you've described the AC mounted cultivator hydraulic lift
> mechanism
> makes it sound to me to be very similar to that of the Farmall H & M and
> that I understand.  One more question about the snap coupler hitch if I
> may.
> I believe in one of your' other posts you mentioned something about the
> lower snap coupler connection - does this mean that snap coupler
> implements
> attach to the tractor at 3 places and not just the two that are on the
> ends
> of the rock shaft?  As I said earlier I really don't know anything about
> this hitch.  I've seen it on the back of CAs and WDs or WD45s (I can't
> those
> two apart) at shows but I've never seen any snap coupler implements (at
> least that I was aware of).  My impression has been that they are like the
> Farmall 2 pt Fast Hitch implements.
> Thanks again -
> Dudley
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:00 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Finally done
>
>
> Dudley,  In the case of a semi-mounted plow like the one in the picture
> when
> you actuate the lift lever the lift arms in the front come up first and
> raise the front of the plow.  The trailing wheel is attached via a
> hydraulic
> hose to a "transport valve" mounted at the rear of the tractor.  It has a
> delayed action and the trail wheel pulls the rear of the plow up so that
> it
> clears the ground at the same place (on the land) that the front end came
> up.  At least that is the way it should work and will if everything is
> properly adjusted.
>
> Some AC tractors had that same feature on the front and rear cultivators.
> (this is speaking of mounted cultivators, not pull behind)
> The cultivators mounted up under the front of the tractor come up first
> and
> the rears come up as they get to the point on the ground where you lifted
> the fronts.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dudley Rupert" <drupert at premier1.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [AT] Finally done
>
>
>> Charlie,
>> At shows I've seen the snap coupler hitch on the back of AC tractors but
>> I
>> don't recall ever seeing a tractor with any snap coupler implement
>> attached.
>> Specifically in the case of a snap coupler plow, when the operator raises
>> the hitch on the tractor does that bring only the front of the plow up?
>> I
>> am guessing that to get the back of the plow up the cyclinder on the back
>> of
>> the plow has to be actuated.  If this description is correct does that
>> mean
>> it takes two operator actions to get the whole plow out of the ground?
>> As
>> you can tell by my questions I have no experience with this hitch system.
>> Thanks -
>> Dudley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:03 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Finally done
>>
>>
>> Fine looking job Rob!  I'd like to play with that one myself!
>>
>> Dudley,  that looks like an AC model 64 semi-mounted plow that might
>> even
>> be a 4 bottom.  It was a plow developed specifically for the WD 45.  It
>> would be mounted to the snap coupler and has a hydraulic lift on the tail
>> wheel of the plow.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dudley Rupert" <drupert at premier1.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:17 AM
>> Subject: RE: [AT] Finally done
>>
>>
>>> Congratulations, Rob, that's a nice looking tractor.
>>>
>>> I am curious about the plow.  Is it a two or three bottom (I can see two
>>> bottoms in the last picture)? Is it a 3 pt or snap hitch or a trailer
>>> plow
>>> (I can't see the front of the plow)?
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the pictures -
>>>
>>> Dudley
>>> Snohomish, Washington
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Rob Wilson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:14 PM
>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>> Subject: [AT] Finally done
>>>
>>>
>>> Well guys we finally got our WD45 done for my Son. He
>>> even got me off of it long enough to plow with it last
>>> Saturday at my buddy Duke Stambaugh's Plow Day. Here's
>>> a few links of it on the AllisChalmers.com site. And
>>> most of all thanks to Gene Dotson for getting me hooked
>>> on this fun hobby.
>>>
>>> http://www.allischalmers.com/public/RobWD45.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.allischalmers.com/public/RobbyWD45.jpg
>>>
>>> http://www.allischalmers.com/public/Our57WD45.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>>
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