[AT] OT Barn floor question

charlie hill chill8 at cox.net
Fri Oct 22 16:54:09 PDT 2004


Let me see if I can find the name of the mill.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question


> Yes.  Let me have the contact, Charlie.  I'm NOT going to pursue it
> right away.  There are already too many projects on the calendar, but
> it's time to get the windmill back into shape.  I really miss seeing
> those blades spinning in the sky.  I don't have a well under it.  I
> figured that the 1000's of dollars that would cost wasn't going to do me
> much good.  The well driller said that in my location he wouldn't
> guarantee finding water anyway.  So what I've got is a weather vane with
> a hormone problem.  :-)  But it is a fascinating project (to me) and I
> want to get it back in operation.  The mill is located over by my lot
> line and the next-door-neighbor has a very large pole barn on his side
> of the line.  The combination of the windmill and his barn makes this
> yuppie subdivision look like an operating farm.  That's a look that both
> of us like even though both of us are also far removed from the farm --
> at least by the years.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
> That's right.  I should have remembered that.  There is a mill in NE NC
> that
> specializes in Cypress and Juniper.  Right now I can't remember the name
> but
> if you want to contact them let me know and I'll find out for you.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
>
>> I'm in Evansville, Indiana, Charlie.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
> hill
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:03 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> I forget where you are located.   Around here cypress and juniper is
>> still
>> available and while it is a bit pricey it will last for a long time.
>> Juniper is similar to cypress in it's weatherability and rot
> resistance
>> but
>> is lighter.  Juniper is something of a regional name and I think it is
>> the
>> same stuff as Northern White Pine or something they call pine up in
> the
>> N/E.
>>
>> I never built or even messed with  a windmill but I know what to build
>> boats
>> out of.  I can't imagine why anyone recommended poplar unless it is
>> different poplar than we have here or for use in a much drier region.
>> In
>> our humidity and heat poplar wouldn't last 2 years I bet.   It makes
>> nice
>> furniture  though!
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Charlie -- and everybody else who has chimed in.  When I
>>> restored this windmill the FIRST time, I was led to believe that
> there
>>> were two woods that were preferred -- cedar and poplar.  I had both
>>> available, but chose to use poplar because it's a LOT clearer.  BTW-
>>> this advice came from a windmill historical and restoration group.  I
>>> figured they knew what they were talking about.  Well as it turns
> out,
>>> there probably isn't a worse wood to use for exterior work than
>> poplar,
>>> and that's what I used.
>>>
>>> The whole thing fell apart in about five years.  Now I've got to
> start
>>> from scratch and do it all over again.  In talking with a wood worker
>>> this week, he recommended redwood or cedar.  I don't like either one.
>>> Redwood splits too easily, and cedar has too many knots.  I really
>> would
>>> prefer teak or cypress.  Now, I'm talking BIG BUCKS!
>>>
>>> What I'm more likely to do is to use the treated lumber that Lowe's
>> and
>>> Home Depot sell for deck construction.  There was no way I would have
>>> considered this material when I was employed at the university and
>> using
>>> their wood shop for all the mill work --- no way to isolate the area
>> to
>>> protect people and the environment from arsenic.  But I have a
> contact
>>> with a complete woodshop with filtered dust collectors on everything.
>>> If he'll work with me to do the resawing and other operations in his
>>> shop, then I may go that route.  I wanted some feedback on the
>> synthetic
>>> stuff so I would know whether or not that's a viable option.  It
>> sounds
>>> like it isn't.  I don't want the salt treated lumber either.  That's
>>> what I had in the floor of my trailer, and it didn't last.
>>>
>>> I notice that Home Depot is now posting a safety sheet by the bins
>> where
>>> they store their treated lumber.  It's kind of a consumer's edition
> of
>>> an MSDS and gives all the precautions to be followed in working with
>> the
>>> arsenic-treated stuff.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a good source for cypress?  THAT'S what I really
>> would
>>> like to use.  I doubt very much that I would ever find locust or
> Osage
>>> Orange in a form and in enough quantity to do the job.
>>>
>>> FWIW, the windmill is a Flint & Walling model 26 on a 35-foot steel
>>> tower.  Ten-foot diameter wheel, seven-foot tail.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
>> hill
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:13 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>>
>>> Larry,  I was looking at some of that stuff yesterday.  It was used
>> for
>>> parking pads at some beach cottages where there are restrictions on
>> how
>>> much
>>> ground can be covered by concrete or asphalt.  The decking has been
>>> there
>>> for a few years and it doesn't seem to be weathering any better than
>>> salt
>>> treated wood.   Some of the boards are starting to warp and twist a
>> bit.
>>>
>>> Also, a friend of mine used the stuff extensively for decks and
>> benches
>>> off
>>> the rear of his new house.  (now about 5 years old)  I was over there
>>> last
>>> year and noticed that I could drag my finger nails over the decking
>>> lightly
>>> and scrape the surface off.  It appears that UV has begun to attack
>> the
>>> surface.
>>>
>>> I'd think you would be better off with cedar or juniper for your
>>> windmill.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:57 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>>
>>>
>>>> What's your experience with it, Warren?  Seriously, I MAY want to
> use
>>> it
>>>> for some of the wheel and tail of a windmill.  If it can be machined
>>> and
>>>> still be impervious to weathering, it would be good for some parts.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of WF Smith
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:46 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how a floor made of the new synthetic decking material
> that
>>>>> Home Depot and Lowe's has for sale would work?  It would let the
>>> urine
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't recommend that stuff for an outhouse, and that's putting
>> it
>>>> mildly.
>>>>
>>>> Warren
>>>>
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