[AT] OT Barn floor question

Fri Oct 22 08:06:02 PDT 2004

Yes.  Let me have the contact, Charlie.  I'm NOT going to pursue it
right away.  There are already too many projects on the calendar, but
it's time to get the windmill back into shape.  I really miss seeing
those blades spinning in the sky.  I don't have a well under it.  I
figured that the 1000's of dollars that would cost wasn't going to do me
much good.  The well driller said that in my location he wouldn't
guarantee finding water anyway.  So what I've got is a weather vane with
a hormone problem.  :-)  But it is a fascinating project (to me) and I
want to get it back in operation.  The mill is located over by my lot
line and the next-door-neighbor has a very large pole barn on his side
of the line.  The combination of the windmill and his barn makes this
yuppie subdivision look like an operating farm.  That's a look that both
of us like even though both of us are also far removed from the farm --
at least by the years.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:14 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question

That's right.  I should have remembered that.  There is a mill in NE NC
that 
specializes in Cypress and Juniper.  Right now I can't remember the name
but 
if you want to contact them let me know and I'll find out for you.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question

> I'm in Evansville, Indiana, Charlie.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
hill
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:03 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I forget where you are located.   Around here cypress and juniper is
> still
> available and while it is a bit pricey it will last for a long time.
> Juniper is similar to cypress in it's weatherability and rot
resistance
> but
> is lighter.  Juniper is something of a regional name and I think it is
> the
> same stuff as Northern White Pine or something they call pine up in
the
> N/E.
>
> I never built or even messed with  a windmill but I know what to build
> boats
> out of.  I can't imagine why anyone recommended poplar unless it is
> different poplar than we have here or for use in a much drier region.
> In
> our humidity and heat poplar wouldn't last 2 years I bet.   It makes
> nice
> furniture  though!
>
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
>
>> Thanks, Charlie -- and everybody else who has chimed in.  When I
>> restored this windmill the FIRST time, I was led to believe that
there
>> were two woods that were preferred -- cedar and poplar.  I had both
>> available, but chose to use poplar because it's a LOT clearer.  BTW-
>> this advice came from a windmill historical and restoration group.  I
>> figured they knew what they were talking about.  Well as it turns
out,
>> there probably isn't a worse wood to use for exterior work than
> poplar,
>> and that's what I used.
>>
>> The whole thing fell apart in about five years.  Now I've got to
start
>> from scratch and do it all over again.  In talking with a wood worker
>> this week, he recommended redwood or cedar.  I don't like either one.
>> Redwood splits too easily, and cedar has too many knots.  I really
> would
>> prefer teak or cypress.  Now, I'm talking BIG BUCKS!
>>
>> What I'm more likely to do is to use the treated lumber that Lowe's
> and
>> Home Depot sell for deck construction.  There was no way I would have
>> considered this material when I was employed at the university and
> using
>> their wood shop for all the mill work --- no way to isolate the area
> to
>> protect people and the environment from arsenic.  But I have a
contact
>> with a complete woodshop with filtered dust collectors on everything.
>> If he'll work with me to do the resawing and other operations in his
>> shop, then I may go that route.  I wanted some feedback on the
> synthetic
>> stuff so I would know whether or not that's a viable option.  It
> sounds
>> like it isn't.  I don't want the salt treated lumber either.  That's
>> what I had in the floor of my trailer, and it didn't last.
>>
>> I notice that Home Depot is now posting a safety sheet by the bins
> where
>> they store their treated lumber.  It's kind of a consumer's edition
of
>> an MSDS and gives all the precautions to be followed in working with
> the
>> arsenic-treated stuff.
>>
>> Does anybody have a good source for cypress?  THAT'S what I really
> would
>> like to use.  I doubt very much that I would ever find locust or
Osage
>> Orange in a form and in enough quantity to do the job.
>>
>> FWIW, the windmill is a Flint & Walling model 26 on a 35-foot steel
>> tower.  Ten-foot diameter wheel, seven-foot tail.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
> hill
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:13 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>> Larry,  I was looking at some of that stuff yesterday.  It was used
> for
>> parking pads at some beach cottages where there are restrictions on
> how
>> much
>> ground can be covered by concrete or asphalt.  The decking has been
>> there
>> for a few years and it doesn't seem to be weathering any better than
>> salt
>> treated wood.   Some of the boards are starting to warp and twist a
> bit.
>>
>> Also, a friend of mine used the stuff extensively for decks and
> benches
>> off
>> the rear of his new house.  (now about 5 years old)  I was over there
>> last
>> year and noticed that I could drag my finger nails over the decking
>> lightly
>> and scrape the surface off.  It appears that UV has begun to attack
> the
>> surface.
>>
>> I'd think you would be better off with cedar or juniper for your
>> windmill.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>>
>>> What's your experience with it, Warren?  Seriously, I MAY want to
use
>> it
>>> for some of the wheel and tail of a windmill.  If it can be machined
>> and
>>> still be impervious to weathering, it would be good for some parts.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of WF Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:46 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>>
>>>> I wonder how a floor made of the new synthetic decking material
that
>>>> Home Depot and Lowe's has for sale would work?  It would let the
>> urine
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend that stuff for an outhouse, and that's putting
> it
>>> mildly.
>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
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