[AT] Sealing a tire to a rim

Sat May 1 08:56:35 PDT 2004

Thanks Landen.

Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Landen Schooler" <skoullar at ix.netcom.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Sealing a tire to a rim

> When I worked in town at a shop, an old timer showed me this trick....
>
> soak a rag with brake fluid and rub the bead part of the tire. It softens
> the rubber so it will seal against a irregular rim.
>
> Landen Schooler
> Palmyra, Iowa
>
> charlie hill wrote:
> >
> > Larry apparently you haven't read the entire thread.  Yes I know
precisely
> > where it is leaking and at what rate for that matter.  The tires are
nearly
> > new.  I certainly don't intend to replace this one with a tire from the
> > salvage yard.  If I intended to pull the tire off the rim for any reason
I'd
> > put it on a different rim.  This tire leaked at the bead when it was
> > orriginally mounted.  The guy that mounted it is a friend of mine and I
> > helped him mount them. We mounted and remounted the tire 2 or 3 times
and in
> > the process filed on the bead of the rim but for some reason it would
not
> > seat.   The rim looked fine with only minor pitting which we filled
smooth.
> > The problem is that these tires have very stiff ( not hard or brittle)
> > sidewalls.   When the tire was first mounted it only leaked a few pounds
> > over a period of a week or so.   We figured after the tire ran a few
miles
> > that it would seat but it didn't. (that was not a problem because I
check
> > the air in the tires every time I put a load on the trailer) This winter
the
> > trailer went unused for several months and the tire leaked completely
down.
> > When I re-inflated it it had developed a 24 hour leak down.
> >
> > Since then and with the help of some soapy water, 50psi presure and a 2
> > pound hammer I have it back down to a very minor leak.
> > By the way, the tire that was on the rim previously did not leak.  If I
> > really wanted to get scientific about it I would mark the rim, pull the
tire
> > off, remount it and see if the leak was at the same place on the tire or
at
> > the same place on the rim but I'm just not inclined to do that.  I'm
kind of
> > like Cecil and Farmer.  I have about 40 tires and wheels to keep up with
and
> > playing with tires and wheels is not my priority in life.
> >
> > There are two small places where it leaks.  It is a very slow leak and
is
> > not a problem to keep it inflated.  If I need to remove the tire for any
> > reason I will replace the rim at that time.  Right now I am only looking
for
> > a way to seal THIS tire to THIS rim.
> >
> > Guys I appreciate all the helpful offers but I grew up in a service
station
> > and on a farm and spent my early adulthood driving a tractor trailer.
I've
> > seen lots of tire problems and know how to handle most of them.  In this
> > case I was looking for information on sealants that are available now
that I
> > don't have any knowledge of.   Some folks have answered my question
> > precisely and with some good information.  It is not a matter of time.
It's
> > not a matter of doing it right or wrong.  I just wanted some information
> > about bead sealants and fix-a-flat type products.
> >
> > Thanks again for your help.
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Sealing a tire to a rim
> >
> > > Charlie, have you coated the sidewall and bead with soap solution to
> > > check for where the air is really leaking?  If the tire is as stiff as
> > > you say it is, I'd suspect that you're loosing air right through the
> > > sidewalls.  If that's the case, go down to your local salvage yard and
> > > get a different tire.  If the leak really is at the bead, then get a
can
> > > of bead sealer at Rural King or TSC.  George said it right -- if you
> > > don't have the time to fix it right the first time, when are you going
> > > to find the time to redo it?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
hill
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:57 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Sealing a tire to a rim
> > >
> > > Hey Len,  I qualify for redneck solutions.  I might just try some
> > > silicone
> > > gasket sealer.  The problem is that the rim is pitted or slightly
> > > deformed
> > > and the tire is so stiff it is not conforming to the rim.  Anything
that
> > > will smooth the rim surface will work as long as it is tenacious
enough
> > > to
> > > stay put.  I know it is not the correct way to fix the problem but
> > > sometimes
> > > the bailing wire and duct tape solutions work just fine.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Len Rugen" <lrugen at c-magic.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Sealing a tire to a rim
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK - this is the "redneck" answer, so don't shoot me.  I'm trying to
> > > get
> > > > over my past...
> > > >
> > > > Most of the "flat stop" products won't fix a bead leak, they never
get
> > > > there.  They are OK for thorns.
> > > >
> > > > You are going to have to break the bead one more time, but don't
take
> > > the
> > > > tire off.  Get a tube of
> > > > silicone and "glue" the bead on the rim.
> > > >
> > > > I've seen it done, but don't know how long it lasted.  I wouldn't
> > > trust
> > > > anyones life on such a repair, etc...
> > > >
> > > > Len Rugen
> > > >
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