[AT] Grain Binders and nudity....

Wed Mar 3 11:40:04 PST 2004

Just a suggestion Guy.  You fellows are obviously dedicated to the cause
and I applaud  you for that.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy Fay" <fayguyma at execpc.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Grain Binders and nudity....

> I'll certainly suggest it, but I do know of one specific problem with
> that approach- thumbnails, which I've already seen popping up. But I
> will suggest it to Andy Kraushaar at the Society.
>
> > Guy  what about changing the Historical Society logo from a blocked
> out
> > black and white to something like a watermark,  every bit as
> permanent and
> > identifyable but not so intrusive to the eye of the viewer?
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Guy Fay" <fayguyma at execpc.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-
> tractor.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Grain Binders and nudity....
> >
> >
> > > Great in theory. Real life and epierience suggest the following:
> > >
> > > 1. There's 1500 hundred photos up now. So everyone makes a copy,
> the
> > > archives doesn't make money, and it closes down. What about the
> other
> > > 250,000 IH photos?
> > > 2. Everyone makes a copy on their home printer. But almost no one
> uses
> > > archival paper and inks in their home machines. No one has photos
> after
> > > 5-10 years.
> > > 3. Many of the photographs in the archives are kept with their
> > > provenance- which means that there's information not only from the
> > > photo, but where the photo is located, or the other photos they're
> with.
> > > In fact, if everyone is keeping a set of photos at home, you'd
> WANT the
> > > label from the Historical Society on it to tell that it was an
> original
> > > IH photo, rather than a photograph taken 50 years after.
> > > 4. Even if the photos are stored digitally, file formats tend to
> change.
> > > Changing formats are a big problem in digital preservation-there's
> stuff
> > > the state's produced less than ten years ago that no one can read
> today.
> > > You want a physical image around for some time yet. Yes, .tiff
> seems to
> > > be pretty stable at the moment, but times change.
> > >
> > > Funding the archives is a great way of ensuring permanence. Yes,
> fires
> > > do happen, and other disasters, but archives have professionals
> who can
> > > deal with those issues. A proper archives isn't just a bunch of
> boxes on
> > > a shelf. It's active preservation, guardianship, access, and
> collection
> > > of more for future generations.
> > > Tim Bivens wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am going to have to agree with most of what Cecil
> > > >and Walt have said on this subject but for a somewhat
> > > >different reason than has been mentioned. With all due
> > > >respect to Guy and others that have mentioned all the
> > > >hard work that so many have put into saving these
> > > >photos and advertising items. That is precisely the
> > > >reason that I hope there are as many copies made of
> > > >them as possible. That way there is a better chance
> > > >that future generations can have copies of them and
> > > >more people can enjoy them. What we leave to future
> > > >generations is much more important than copyright
> > > >laws. I don't really care how they take the trip
> > > >through time or if they are pirated or somebody makes
> > > >money off them or whatever. We will all be dead a
> > > >hundred years from now and this argument will be long
> > > >forgotten but I hope there are some copies of these
> > > >around for our great grandkids to enjoy. If I put in a
> > > >lot of hard work to preserve an old photograph I would
> > > >be glad for anyone that wanted a copy to have it. I
> > > >would be much more concerned that it is preserved for
> > > >posterity than worrying about whether me or anyone
> > > >else makes money off it. The idea of "this is my copy
> > > >and it's the only copy you can't have a copy of it" is
> > > >a selfish attitude whether it is an individual,
> > > >museum, or whoever. I know someone is going to come
> > > >back with the argument that the Wisconsin museum is
> > > >going to always have a copy but they may not always be
> > > >available to to the public. The originals could get
> > > >destroyed by fire. They could lose funding for their
> > > >website. Etc. There a lots of ways these could become
> > > >unavailable to the general public. Why would anyone be
> > > >worried about a copyright on something as old as the
> > > >1895 Buckeye ad that brought this whole topic up? I
> > > >say let anyone that wants to copy let them have a copy
> > > >of it. I have a rather nice copy of it copied on
> > > >quality photo paper and hanging on my wall right now
> > > >(with the garbage cleaned up off the right side).
> > > >Probably going to frame it and my kids can have it
> > > >when I die. So sue me.
> > > >
> > > >Tim Bivens
> > > >Glen Rose, Tex.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>The part i can't understand is if these were given
> > > >>to the Wis, Histerical
> > > >>com. to post on the net free for all to see then who
> > > >>is being damaged if one
> > > >>makes a copy even if he sells it and what can you
> > > >>get for a copy anyway. Not much
> > > >>I would assume. And if you put it on your website
> > > >>one here and one there who
> > > >>would even know it.  I don't think anybody is going
> > > >>to just download everything
> > > >>that they put up and then make their own site and
> > > >>charge to see it because
> > > >>that's just plain dumb. Why buy something that is
> > > >>free anyway. people sure do
> > > >>get over excited about copyrights.
> > > >>Rosie ODonnal sued a local radio station for using
> > > >>the name Rosie as if she
> > > >>was the only person in the world with that name, she
> > > >>lost of course and Spike
> > > >>Lee sued a Sat. channel for calling itself Spike TV
> > > >>he also lost. Some people
> > > >>just go overboard on this stuff. If they were
> > > >>loosing big money from someone
> > > >>using their copyright then i say go after them but
> > > >>remember its only a picture
> > > >>and there has to many more copies out there owned by
> > > >>others. And you can only
> > > >>hold the copyright as the original person who took
> > > >>the picture and that only
> > > >>good for a specific time some of these pictures must
> > > >>be way out of their
> > > >>original copyright by now. Also even if you make
> > > >>changes by adding that sign on the
> > > >>side or correcting bad spots or other things you
> > > >>still cnnot copyright it as
> > > >>yours it belongs to the guy who took the picture.
> > > >>
> > > >>I say just put them up and let things be as they are
> > > >>why make everyone mad as
> > > >>they view the pics with all that garbage that the
> > > >>crook doesn't care about
> > > >>anyway.
> > > >>Well i have spent to much on this I agree with Cecil
> > > >>clean the darn things up
> > > >>and post them to the net and then forget about all
> > > >>the work that you have
> > > >>donabeen paid for its all past history by now.
> > > >>
> > > >>Walt Davies
> > > >>Cooper Hollow Farm
> > > >>Monmouth, OR 97361
> > > >>503 623-0460
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