[AT] B-210 with Tiller

Wed Jul 14 04:50:42 PDT 2004

I purchased a B210 this spring and the reason was it had
a 42" tiller mounted on the back.  I had never used a tiller
mounted.  After I got it mounted and the belt hooked up,
I took it to my neighbors yard and made him a garden spot.
It did a better job than I had expected.   The B210 has a
variable speed in every gear.  I still need to work on the belt
guard to keep the belt  from coming off.
Larry Voris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor

> On the other hand, if you really want a tiller that "works", get one
> that rotates counter to your direction of travel.  I had a 42" tiller
> with its own power source (8-horse B&S) that I "remanufactured" so it
> was counter-rotating.  NO BOUNCE, even in the hardest ground, and it
> kicked any rocks and roots out on top of the ground.  I had it hanging
> on the three-point of my Power King.  I ran the tractor engine at low
> idle with the transmissions set in Low-Low.  I didn't have any gauge
> wheels on the tiller, so I couldn't leave it in "float" because it would
> dig too deep.  A counter-rotating tiller can till deeper than the
> diameter of the rotating tines.  I never would have believed the
> difference in action of a tiller based on the rotation of the tines if I
> didn't own a Mantis.  Those little things are really light, and if you
> try to operate one the way we're used to working with a tiller, it does
> nothing but bounce. But as soon as you start walking backwards with it
> (just like the instruction book tells you to) the tiller will bury
> itself.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert
> Schwartz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:33 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
>
> Larry; From what you say I'd think the "float" position would be almost
> mandatory to keep from tearing things up. I'd think, too, that the
> smaller
> ones would be less prone to damage from buried immovable objects. Gil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
>
>
> > Nothing except an internal overrunning clutch, Gilbert.  But, as with
> > most compact tractors, there is no down pressure on the three-point,
> so
> > it's always in a "float" condition.  Hitting a major impediment simply
> > causes the tiller to come out of the ground.
> >
> > In some respects, that's really kind of nice, because if I wanted to,
> I
> > can tromp on the hydrostat pedal and the tiller will simply roll along
> > on top of the ground.  The transmission basically holds the tractor
> back
> > rather than propelling it.  I know I would never get good results with
> a
> > tiller that was hard-geared to the wheels.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert
> > Schwartz
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:40 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> >
> > Larry; Does the Kubota have any kind of shock absorber in the PTO
> system
> > or
> > is the tiller maybe belt driven some way? I'd think that hitting many
> > rocks
> > would do serious damage to something.
> > I recall that some time in the early 60's some IH and JD dealers
> around
> > here
> > tried to promote big tillers on big tractors to farmers. Don't recall
> > what
> > numbers the IH tractors were but the JD tractors were in the 4010 era.
> > The
> > tillers ate up the tractor PTO drives and tiller gear boxes quite
> > regularly
> > and the tiller use stopped for regular farming. Part of the problem
> may
> > have
> > been rock but I doubt it because the ones I knew about were in
> buckshot
> > gumbo bottom ground. Gil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> >
> >
> > > Hey, Cecil, my B7100 Kubota is rated at around 18 HP and I run a
> > 50-inch
> > > tiller on it.  Yes, I do go slowly, but I also end up turning sod
> into
> > > seedbed in a single pass.  I took it over to the church this spring
> > and
> > > used the tiller as a scarifier to recondition a gravel driveway.  So
> I
> > > know how stones will jolt you.
> > >
> > > When I found this tiller, I knew I didn't want to buy it if it
> > wouldn't
> > > work on my tractor, so I loaded the Kubota up and visited with the
> PO.
> > > We hooked it up and I took off through his garden patch where the
> corn
> > > had just finished.  It tilled everything under.  The PO had been
> using
> > > it on a Ford 800 and not been happy with its results.  He was darn
> > near
> > > in a state of shock to see how well it worked on my tractor.  I just
> > put
> > > the tractor on cruise control and let the tiller do its thing.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Cecil E
> > > Monson
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:49 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > >
> > > > Charlie; I'm with you on that horsepower being a misprint. 3
> > spindle,
> > > 60
> > > > inch just don't fit with 7 1/4 hp, at any speed.
> > > > C.H. Wendel says the AC B10 was the earliest, built through 1968
> and
> > > it used
> > > > a 9 h.p. B&S. Wendel's book also pictures one of the B10's working
> > > with a
> > > > 32 inch roto-tiller. That too sounds like a mighty big load for a
> 9
> > > h.p.
> > > > engine, especially if the tiller is in the dirt.
> > > > Maybe the h.p. ratings are different now than in the 60's. Gil
> > >
> > >
> > > I  also doubt that any 9 hp engine can handle a 32 inch
> > > rototiller.
> > > I just bought a 48" Kubota and it is rated 20 to 30 horsepower and
> > even
> > > then
> > > I think the tractor had better be able to really creeeeeeep along.
> > I'll
> > > bet
> > > the stones in our soil here really jolt a small tractor when you hit
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Cecil
> > > --
> > > The nicest thing about telling the truth is you never have to wonder
> > > what you said.
> > >
> > > Cecil E Monson
> > > Lucille Hand-Monson
> > > Mountainville, New York   Just a little east of the North Pole
> > >
> > > Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment
> > >
> > > Free advice
> > >
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