[AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)

Mon Jul 12 15:50:32 PDT 2004

Charlie; I've looked thru that book and can't find this thing I've looked
at. This outfit of which I speak isn't articulated and is nothing more than
a very large two axle dump truck. Around here we call them quarry trucks
because they're mostly used for hauling material from the face to the stock
pile, crusher, slag pile, etc. All within the job site. I didn't have my
camera with me or I'd have a picture. The thing isn't really that old as it
has the later style Allis Chalmers decals on the engine hood. I'm going to
have some photos when I get back that way again. It's about 3 hours away
from my home but I do get that way every now and then. Gil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)


> Hi Gil,
>
> I just checked.  Swinford's book _Allis Chalmers Construction Machinery
and
> Industrial Equipment_ has about 30 pages on AC earth movers.  The last 2
or
> 3 pages of that section is about motor wagons and rear dump wagons.  I
think
> the machine you are talking about is pictured in that section.  One of the
> machines is a 15 CY rear dump, articulated rig that looks like a pan front
> end (with a cab) and a big dump body cart on the rear end.   There is
> another with no cab that has a 22 CY dump box.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
>
>
> > Charlie; I'm sure you're right. It just seemed strange that Wendel
didn't
> > even mention the B-1, even when he listed a whole bunch of the other B
> > numbers. I really think there's quite a few errors/omissions in the
books,
> > after all, Allis has been gone for a bunch of years and it seems they,
as
> a
> > company, weren't too dedicated to record keeping. I know there's no
> mention
> > of an Allis Chalmers off road, industrial/construction dirt/rock hauler
> > truck comparable to the TEREX, but I know  where there is one. I think
> it's
> > just people like us who just keep running into such things.
> >     I also know that I have a 7 h.p., 21inch, walk behind lawn mower, I
> know
> > what it pulls like, and a 17 h.p. 42inch, ha. That 17 wouldn't begin to
> pull
> > a 60 inch. At least it wouldn't cutting anything. I guess it's just a
> matter
> > of  machines being different. Gil
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> >
> >
> > > Gil,  the B 10 came after the B 1 according to Swinford.  I'm pretty
> sure
> > > that is right.  I just never saw a 7 1/4 hp Briggs.  7's yes, 7 1/2
yes
> > but
> > > the 7 1/4 struck me as strange.
> > >
> > > I have Wendels book and all of Swinfords AC books.  Swinford is
> generally
> > > more accurate as far as I can tell.  That is not to kick Mr. Wendel.
> His
> > > book has been a good source of information too.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > >
> > >
> > > > Charlie; I'm with you on that horsepower being a misprint. 3
spindle,
> 60
> > > > inch just don't fit with 7 1/4 hp, at any speed.
> > > > C.H. Wendel says the AC B10 was the earliest, built through 1968 and
> it
> > > used
> > > > a 9 h.p. B&S. Wendel's book also pictures one of the B10's working
> with
> > a
> > > > 32 inch roto-tiller. That too sounds like a mighty big load for a 9
> h.p.
> > > > engine, especially if the tiller is in the dirt.
> > > > Maybe the h.p. ratings are different now than in the 60's. Gil
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Cecil E Monson" <cmonson at hvc.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:46 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Cecil,  according to what I can find the B-1 SHOULD have a 7 1/4
> hp
> > > > Briggs
> > > > > > and a 3 speed transmission with speeds of 2, 3.75 and 6 mph.  It
> had
> > > an
> > > > > > optional 50%  underdriven low speed drive.  Implements available
> > were:
> > > > 42
> > > > > > inch rotary mower,  60 inch 3 gang mower, 10 inch moldboard
plow,
> > > > > > cultivator, disk harrow, 42 inch dozer blade, 42 inch center
mount
> > > > grader
> > > > > > blade, 32 inch tiller, snow thrower, and a sicklebar mower.  It
> was
> > > made
> > > > by
> > > > > > Simplicity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Charlie. I will know more tomorrow but at least I will
have
> > > > > a good idea what I should be looking for. I'm sure I will have
more
> to
> > > say
> > > > > about this tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > The nicest thing about telling the truth is you never have to
wonder
> > > > > what you said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecil E Monson
> > > > > Lucille Hand-Monson
> > > > > Mountainville, New York   Just a little east of the North Pole
> > > > >
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