[Steam-engine] NBIC Morris Snow Presentation Excerpts

Mark mark at ironacres.com
Tue Aug 17 13:23:49 PDT 2004


Good point, but steam cars are, last I checked, very expensive compared to
traction engines. What I really want is both :)

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Showers" <steamcar at hereintown.net>
To: "Steam-engine mailing list" <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] NBIC Morris Snow Presentation Excerpts


> Well Ken, there is the alternative world of steam automobiles.  They are
> exempt from inspections, much easier to transport, not as hot to be around
> on an August day and much more fun.  Best of all a new boiler for a
Stanley
> is about $3500.
> Jim Showers
> 1911 Peerlesss TT
> 1921 Stanley Touring
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Majeski" <fuller_johnson1 at msn.com>
> To: <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] NBIC Morris Snow Presentation Excerpts
>
>
> Well.... I am Slowly getting fed up with the constant hassle of yearly
> inspections. Seems like they are constantly picking for something to shut
> you down. It's a lot of hassle to get 2 engines ready to hydro then dry
them
> out just to run them one day a year.
>
> I hear rumors of some shows running engines over the calculated MAWP. Some
> shows are putting in for extensions to get by one more year before they
have
> to UT and reduce their pressure due to appendix C. When they knew what was
> required for the last 2 years. Some will do the absolute minimum just to
get
> by.... Here we have to PROVE a tensilt strength of at least 55,000 to get
to
> use a SF of 4. Otherwise have to use 5. And believe me when you apply a SF
> of 5 to an aged boiler you usually don't get a very high MAWP. I hear of
> some engines previously running 100 to 125 that now have a new MAWP of 40
to
> 60 PSI.
>
> I was looking over at Ryndas for a small engine to get a new ASME boiler
on
> but didn't find anything I liked that I felt was worth the money. I am
> considering selling my 24 Minnie as it is just too heavy to move around
> although I don't have to UT again for another 5 years and still have the
145
> PSI I started out with 20 years ago.
>
> Haulling is another issue. I had some Bad experience a few years ago,
Seemed
> some shows were getting Bargain Basement trucking. When you see them Knock
a
> block out and see a side mounted engine rumble down the ramps and Bounce
off
> the ground it makes you wonder just how much it will take... I have seem
> them wind down them screw type load binders almost to the point of
> breaking... Have seen some engines arrive with Missing/Broken chains ect.
A
> friend of mine lost his 24 Minnie a few years ago... The trucker had 2
> engines on the lowboy tied down with 3 chains. Well, one broke and there
> were 2 engines upside down on the road...The last few years I have only
> moved the Case, I haul it myself, Push it on here with the tractor and
> unload it and load it under steam at the show. I like to tie down engines
by
> the rear wheels with chains in front and back just for safety and to
satisfy
> the DOT. Takes a lot of strain off the boiler.
>
> Lately I have enjoyed taking a couple gas engines to the shows, Sitting in
> the shade and talking smart... and the nice part is you can turn in the
> needle valve and walk off to see what the steam guys are doing.... No Wet
> Punky wood or Bad coal problems and I can carry the water I need in a 5
> gallon pail....
>
>
>
> Ken Majeski, Ellsworth Wis. Case Steam Engine, Minneapolis Steam Engine,
> Rumely Oilpulls H, F, & R. Website, Http://www.pressenter.com/~kmajeski/
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jeff Smith <steamenginesmitty at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Steam-engine mailing list
> ><steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >To: Steam-engine mailing list <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] NBIC Morris Snow Presentation Excerpts
> >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:52:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I sold one of my engines this year for many different
> >reasons and purchased a new 1/2 scale 65 case boiler
> >that is to current ASME standards, but Dan's concern
> >was one of the major deciding factors.  Time and
> >storage were the biggest issues, I just don't have the
> >time right now or the place to store a full size
> >engine for a restoration.  Another deciding factor was
> >it also needed a lot of repair to the boiler; to the
> >point that I just wanted a new boiler from a
> >cost/benefit standpoint.  In the end I decided against
> >that and sold it because I was losing my storage space
> >at the time and needed to find a place for it fast,
> >and where it could have been stored was outside neat
> >the ocean.  I just didn't want it outside near all of
> >the salt spray so it found a new home with a man that
> >has many other engines.
> >
> >I still have two other riveted boilers and one other
> >ASME code welded boiler, but they are not on traction
> >engines so I decided to go the 1/2 scale route.  I
> >might be losing money someday on the two riveted
> >boilers from some type of crackdown, but I am willing
> >to take that chance because I like those engines.  I
> >just wanted an engine that I MIGHT be able to take
> >from state to state on vacation in the summer, but it
> >appears that the days of honoring other state
> >inspections in the states that I was planning to go to
> >is a thing of the past.  So I can either not go, or
> >get a bunch of inspections a year, but I just don't
> >want the hassle of that nor all of those hydros so I
> >am learning to go to shows and not have to operate
> >something, but that is hard for me to do.
> >
> >I was at a show this past weekend in PA, and one of my
> >father's old steam friends told me that he just sold
> >all of his engines but one, and his comment was that
> >he thinks that sometime soon all engines in public
> >areas will require a new welded boiler.  That may be a
> >bit extreme, but maybe not.  It sure took me by
> >surprise though coming from him.  He lives in Maryland
> >and he was tired of the hassle, so he kept one engine
> >that he has that was purchased new and replaced 6
> >months later with a gas tractor so the engine is like
> >new, but he still doesn't take it anywhere now.
> >
> >Does anyone know why Willis Able sold all of his
> >engines but a few?  He had 30 engines that could
> >operate the last time I went to his place.  Going
> >there was like going to a big candy store and now that
> >is a thing of the past.  I can understand if he just
> >got tired of PA and their views on historic boilers
> >though and threw in the towel, he would have to go
> >through inspections 30 times a year.  I can't even
> >imagine the amount of work that must have been and my
> >hat is off to him for all those years of dedication.
> >I think that trying to be patient with the entire
> >inspection process for 30 engines would have put me in
> >a straight jacket........
> >
> >Dan, apparently you are not the only one with those
> >thoughts though, the gentleman in MD and myself had
> >the same concerns.  I am sure that many others have
> >also, but so far we are the only ones that I know of
> >that acted upon them, but we could be wrong.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> > >I have been leaning to the
> > > position that I should
> > > plan on finding an engine that has a boiler in poor
> > > condition and plan to
> > > spend the money to build a new boiler to ASME code.
> > > That way my investment
> > > will not be lost due to tightening codes and a
> > > National Board that may start
> > > condemning historic boilers right and left in fear
> > > of their own liability
> > > and reputation at stake.
> > >     Is there anyone with these same concerns or am I
> > > being too pessimistic.
> > > I currently live in a state that has absolutely no
> > > inspections on historic
> > > boilers but believe that it is just a matter of time
> > > before all states adopt
> > > Appendix C of the NBIC.
> > >
> > > Dan Donaldson
> >
> >
> >
> >
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