[AT] Names that have become generic

Sun Apr 4 18:50:03 PDT 2004

Ok, that's not so bad.  :-)

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic

> Brian,  I don't remember if it is 50 F or 50 C but it has something to do
> with a peculiarity in the temperature Mechanical engineers use in when
> making materials calculations compared to what physicists and other
> engineers use.  It was just a passing remark that one of my favorite
> professors made.  It was 25
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian VanDragt" <bvandragt at intraworldcom.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
>
>
> > Uh oh, this must be something else I'm too young to understand.  A 50
deg.
> > guy?  Is that deg. as in degrees?  Temperature degrees?  Angular
degrees?
> > College degrees?  And why 50?  Please educate me.  I think I'm being
> > insulted here, but I don't know what for.  :-)  For being a mechanical
> > engineer?  It's probably true whatever it means.  No offense taken.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> >
> >
> > > Brian,  one of my engineering school professors would have said that
you
> > are
> > > one of those wierd 50deg. guys.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian VanDragt" <bvandragt at intraworldcom.net>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, I knew I was handicapped in this thread being an ME.  :-)  I
> agree
> > > > maybe the two terms were regional, then the earliest manufacturer of
> > > > ignition systems at one point called them condensers and it stuck.
> > > > Reguarding some earlier posts on condensation, I learned that liquid
> > > > electricity does come from a condenser in a still, and it's called
> white
> > > > lightnin'.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> > > > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:47 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Brian:
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder, a ME would never understand!  :-) I suspect the term
> > > > "condenser"
> > > > > got coined in the early days of automobile development.
> > > > >
> > > > > It probably just stuck in that industry.  Here is an interesting
web
> > > site
> > > > > defining the meaning of condenser"
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/condenser
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose there is a chance that the Physics people called them
> > > > "condensers"
> > > > > and the electrical people called them "Capacitors"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an interesting tidbit:
> > > > >
> > > > > Condensers vs. Capacitors
> > > > > The name "capacitor" was given in the US due to its capacity for
> > > charging
> > > > > electricity. When capacitors were introduced to Japan, the English
> > word
> > > > > "capacitor" was translated as "chikudenki," which means a
component
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > > condense and store electricity. Later, people in Japan thought it
> was
> > > > called
> > > > > condenser in the US when they retranslated it into English. That
is
> > the
> > > > > reason the electric component called capacitor in the US is still
> > called
> > > > > condenser in Japan.
> > > > > Moreover, in another theory it used to be called the "condenser"
in
> > the
> > > > > world, but recently there is also an opinion of having came to be
> > called
> > > > > "capacitor".
> > > > >
> > > > > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > > > > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > > > >
> > > > > CRS = Having a Photographic Memory but a shortage of unused film.
> > > > >
> > > > > www.deerelegacy.com
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> > > VanDragt
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:27 PM
> > > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > > >
> > > > > In that case, I guess my original question still stands.  Why is a
> > > > capacitor
> > > > > used in an ignition system called a condenser?  I thought maybe
> there
> > > was
> > > > > some difference between the two.  I guess it doesn't matter.  I'm
a
> ME
> > > > > anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> > > > > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Brian:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't recall "ALL" capacitors being called "Condensers" and I
> was
> > > > > trained
> > > > > > as a EE in the late 50's.  My recollection is the term
> "condensers"
> > > was
> > > > > and
> > > > > > is only used in the automotive/tractor environment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > > > > > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CRS = Having a Photographic Memory but a shortage of unused
film.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www.deerelegacy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> > > > VanDragt
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:34 PM
> > > > > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Larry,
> > > > > > You're right, I wasn't born until after the early 70's.  I had
no
> > idea
> > > > > that
> > > > > > all capacitors used to be called condensers.  Why would they
> change
> > a
> > > > > > perfectly good name for something to something else?  Now my
> > original
> > > > > > question has been answered and I have learned something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Larry D. Goss"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The problem is some of you guys are just too danged young.
You
> > > think
> > > >
> > > > > > >that because you learned a particular name for a device when
you
> > were
> > > > in
> > > > > > >school it must have always been named that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I only have to go back to the early 70's to find literature
that
> > > > > > > officially calls those things "condensers."  And THAT happens
to
> > be
> > > on
> > > > > > > some tractor literature.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Larry
> > > > > >
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