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<div data-externalstyle="false" dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif';font-size:12pt;"><div>Further off topic, what is your preferred CAD program and what do you use it for, mechanical or architectural? <br></div><div data-signatureblock="true"><div><br></div><div>Aaron Dickinson</div><div>Mason, MI</div><div><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:moscowengnr@outlook.com" target="_parent">Dennis Johnson</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group</a></font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">
I also had my laptop die about a week and a half ago. Think a jar may have cracked motherboard per the repair place. They said they can’t repair and it would not be cost effective if they could. It is a 10 year old Dell laptop with i7 processor and 1TB hard
drive and 15.6 screen. That old laptop is still better than 2/3 of the laptops for sale today.<br>
I have ordered a new Dell XPS 17 with i9 processor to replace it. I do a little bit of CAD so need something that can handle that.
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<div dir="ltr"> Thanks for all the advice regarding computers, I hate buying a computer like I hate buying a car. I don't recall it being so difficult before. I bought my current Dell laptop refurbished, with Windows 7 preinstalled, and it's been flawless.
Now with Windows 11 coming into the picture, it seems MS has made the chip set very particular. AMD vs Intel, and then only certain ones will work. Like Dean, I like to keep my computers as long as possible, I don't want to pay for the latest and greatest,
but usually one step down will suffice and give me good service life. I'm taking a hard look at the laptop that Spencer sent as it seems like a pretty decent deal, But I wished for a larger monitor that I could get with the desktop.<br>
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The refurbished Windows 10 machine, was purchased through Wally World through a 3rd party seller. What appealed to me was I could return it free to a WW for return. As soon as I opened the box, I new I was in trouble. It was in a large box, with the monitor
screen side down on the bottom of the box unprotected; the key board was also against the outside of the box, unprotected, with the monitor stand mashed into it. The only thing that was bubble wrapped was the main computer. When I took out the monitor, the
whole screen fell off. I didn't even plug it in, everything went back to WW, and was returned. Who packs a computer like that?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If you can live with a laptop, I like to shop the Lenovo outlet. If you have some time, just keep an eye on the site. Stuff comes and goes pretty frequently. Also, if you find a machine you like you probably should pull the trigger for the same
reason. They have both new and factory refurbished. Here is a link to a new machine with Windows 11 for just $435. I know it’s not less than 200 but the differential is worth it if you can swing it
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Hi all, Hope everyone is staying warm, it's 7 degrees in my part of Michigan at 2:00 in the afternoon. I need to get a new (refurbished) computer as my Dell laptop with windows 7 is getting glitchy, and it will not run my tax software
(Turbotax). I can find a refurbished Dell 9020 desktop with monitor for under $200, that comes with Windows 10 pro, however Windows 10 is getting a little long in the tooth. Just wondering how long MS will continue to support Win 10, before I need to upgrade
to Win 11. Most of the refurbished computers I am looking at will not support Win 11. I really don't want to buy something that will be obsolete in a couple years. Linux is not an option at this point because TurboTax doesn't support it. Any input would be
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