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    Thanks for all the advice regarding computers, I hate buying a
    computer like I hate buying a car. I don't recall it being so
    difficult before. I bought my current Dell laptop refurbished, with
    Windows 7 preinstalled, and it's been flawless. Now with Windows 11
    coming into the picture, it seems MS has made the chip set very
    particular. AMD vs Intel, and then only certain ones will work. Like
    Dean, I like to keep my computers as long as possible, I don't want
    to pay for the latest and greatest, but usually one step down will
    suffice and give me good service life. I'm taking a hard look at the
    laptop that Spencer sent as it seems like a pretty decent deal, But
    I wished for a larger monitor that I could get with the desktop.<br>
    <br>
    The refurbished Windows 10 machine, was purchased through Wally
    World through a 3rd party seller. What appealed to me was I could
    return it free to a WW for return. As soon as I opened  the box, I
    new I was in trouble. It was in a large box, with the monitor screen
    side down on the bottom of the box unprotected; the key board was
    also against the outside of the box, unprotected, with the monitor
    stand mashed into it. The only thing that was bubble wrapped was the
    main computer. When I took out the monitor, the whole screen fell
    off. I didn't even plug it in, everything went back to WW, and was
    returned. Who packs a computer like that?<br>
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    Regards,<br>
    Mike M <br>
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        a machine you like you probably should pull the trigger for the
        same reason.  They have both new and factory refurbished.  Here
        is a link to a new machine with Windows 11 for just $435.  I
        know it’s not less than 200 but the differential is worth it if
        you can swing it
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              <div>Spencer<br>
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                  <blockquote type="cite">On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:56 PM,
                    Mike M <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"><meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><span>Hi all, Hope everyone is staying
                      warm, it's 7 degrees in my part of Michigan at
                      2:00 in the afternoon. I need to get a new
                      (refurbished) computer as my Dell laptop with
                      windows 7 is getting glitchy, and it will not run
                      my tax software (Turbotax). I can find a
                      refurbished Dell 9020 desktop with monitor for
                      under $200, that comes with Windows 10 pro,
                      however Windows 10 is getting a little long in the
                      tooth. Just wondering how long MS will continue to
                      support Win 10, before I need to upgrade to Win
                      11. Most of the refurbished computers I am looking
                      at will not support Win 11. I really don't want to
                      buy something that will be obsolete in a couple
                      years. Linux is not an option at this point
                      because TurboTax doesn't support it. Any input
                      would be appreciated.</span><br>
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                    <span>Thanks,</span><br>
                    <span>Mike M</span><br>
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