<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Just wanted to give everyone a little update. As you recall, I ordered the studs through Napa. They ordered them because a store in Kentucky showed inventory. But of course, as it often turns out, the store in fact did not have any. So they tried to order from the manufacturer who said those studs have been discontinued and they canceled the order.</div><div><br></div><div>As you may also recall, my local store had three. But I needed 4(hence the order). So what I did was I bought those three and I made my own 4th stud out of a grade 5, 4” bolt. <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Can you spot the homemade stud? (-:</span></div><div><br></div><div> I hope the lack of black oxide treatment doesn’t matter in my lifetime. Seriously doubt it. The length of the nut end thread is not quite as long but it doesn’t matter in this case. Still plenty long enough.</div><div><br></div><div>PS: Cecil, here you can see the very different thread lengths of typical tap-ended studs that are used for manifolds.</div><div><br></div><div><img alt="image0.jpeg" src="cid:859D262F-4721-4693-A178-FD0F94B46866-L0-001"></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">Spencer</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);"><br></span><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 19, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>AI just learned something. I have wrenched for 60 years and did
not know there was a difference in the threads on each end of the
studs. There is some grade 8 threaded rod available. I would
suggest cutting studs to length and then using loctite in the
block. <br>
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<div>Thanks Cecil. For manifold studs where the stud is exposed
to the water jacket, you actually need “tap end” studs, not
double ended stud. Having an end with short threads ensures
that you can seat the thread completely against the block
without the stud going into the jacket cavitiy. That fact and
thread sealant will make sure it doesn’t leak. </div>
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<div>Here’s a link to McMaster Carr’s page for that type of stud:</div>
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<div>Notice they don’t go over 3 inches either. It’s so weird. I
don’t know why the world suddenly has it out for the tap ended
studs that are longer than 3 inches.</div>
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<div>The Allis is going down with a fight. As you may
remember, this tractor had an all fuel manifold. In
addition that manifold was in absolutely horrible
shape. It’s the worst manifold I’ve ever seen I’m
pretty sure. Was glad the seller had a new repo gas
manifold that came with the tractor.</div>
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<div>T<span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">he manifold
studs that I was so very careful to extract and
clean up turn out not to be long enough(4 of them
anyways) for the new gas manifold that came with
the tractor. So I had to buy longer studs. </span></div>
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studs that weren’t a $50 kit from an eBay seller
actually turned out to be a lot harder than I
thought. I eventually found some but if you ever
run across some 3/8–16 studs in the 3 to 5 inch
length grab them and keep them because one day
soon they will be extinct.</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Good find!! I've ran into
internal wiring bad on those as well as the
insulators for models like you have with a
kill switch through the side. Fortunately we
have a machine to test them on so I can "run"
the magneto without the cap and look to see if
any internal sparking going on. Even then it
can drive you nuts. Sometimes you can unhook
the coil and condenser and just play around
with a meter looking for continuity, but if
its not grounded and just "leaking or jumping
an arc, you'll never find it. FYI if you are
having to bench test, I normally put a small
adjustable wrench on the drive lug, turning
mags by hand gets old real quick!!</span><br>
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update. If you remember, I couldn’t get a
spark from magneto at a spark plug terminal.
I was getting a great spark at the coil so
it wasn’t the points or the coil.</span><br>
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yield to my persistence easily. The problem
did turn out to be in the inner base. Thanks
to Brice’s patient consulting and many
different tests I ultimately found that I
could create a spark at a test rod placed
through the base to the coil when the base
was in place but not tightened down. But if
I tightened the base down the spark would be
very weak and intermittent. Started looking
all around and eventually found this. It’s a
crack in the kill switch wire Apparently the
base would push the wire close enough to
ground to eat or share the spark (leaving
my test spark weak and intermittent) when
tightened but not when the base was simply
“in place”. Leaving the kill switch wire
disconnected and tucked out of the way the
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crack was never visible. It was on the
bottom of the wire. When I disconnected it
from the points post and lifted it up I was
able to see it. The act of lifting it up
widened it quite a bit. The crack was not
originally this gaping canyon you see here.
Insulation had completely fossilized.</span><br>
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let me just say that I actually sprained a
finger from tripping the impulse so much.
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C is a money pit about anywhere in NC. If
it weren't for collectors, you couldn't
give an old small Deere away. The IH
offset models still seem to be holding
fairly strong prices if they are in decent
shape with fast hitch due to so many still
being used by gardeners.</span><br>
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Case I pull wagons with. Fires up
instantly in any weather. Doesn't use oil
or leak antifreeze. Looks horrible, tires
are rough. I bet I couldn't get $800 for
it. Now if it were an Farmall H or M,
probably worth 1/2 again more.</span><br>
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pre 1960 tractors are to the point it
costs way more to keep them in great shape
than they will ever sell for. I've got 2
Super A's that are needing tires. I use
the tractors so I won't hesitate to
replace the tires when needed as I don't
really care what the tractors would sell
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on experience and my thumb I feel pretty
confident it should at least pop off.
Once I get it popping off I’ll do the
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not sure what I’m gonna do with this
tractor. This is Farmall/IH country.
And like the rest of the US, tractors
this old just aren’t generating much
interest. So based on these two facts
I’m not sure I can even find anyone
locally that’s interested in doing the
final cleaning, gasket replacement and
cosmetic restoration. And like the dog
analogy, I’m not sure if I’ll find a
better home for it or I’ll just keep it
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replace all the usual suspects that
cause trouble. Standard Magneto is
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tractor. It’s an Allis Chalmers ‘C’;
1947. I didn’t really intend to get
it, but it was sort of like picking
up a rescue dog just because you
couldn’t stand to see it put down..
Belonged to an old man who bought
it because a ‘C’ was the tractor he
learned to drive on 75 years ago.
He just never had the energy,
health, time to work on it. He had
done some work and had pretty much
disassembled it. Because of its
state and condition he just really
never had any active buyers. It
looked destined for an estate sale
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he had lots of new parts (gauges,
manifolds, decals, fenders, etc) and
had done a pretty decent job
restoring the gas tank. Right now
the magneto is not making any spark
but with the help of Brice Adams
I’ve narrowed it down to something
in the rotor cap or the inner base
simply eating the spark. I get a
nice blue spark jumping directly to
the coil button so I feel confident
that a tuneup for magneto will bring
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I managed to pull the manifold studs
without breaking a single one. I
even got the nuts off. So after
soaking in parts cleaner tonight
I’ll chase all the threads, clean
and file mating surfaces, and get
them back in the engine. One of the
new parts he had was a brand new
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engine does put plenty of pressure
on the thumb when turning it by hand
so it should start at least. The
old manifold was an all-fuel
manifold. It looked original based
on it’s nearly completely
disintegrated condition. Engine
serial number does have a G
suffix(think that means gas engine)
so maybe it got a gas engine swap
sometime in its history and they
simply reused the all-fuel manifold?
No idea. I just want the engine to
pop before I route fuel lines and
worry about power, performance, and
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