You really shouldn’t bolt a ground to something that then has to make contact with the engine block. You want a direct connection to the block for best grounding. Is there a bolt, like for the water pump or starter, that is a through bolt with a nut on the block side? If so, put the cable on the nut side where it can contact the block.<div><div><br></div><div>Carl<br><br>On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
I did throw an meter on the ground and the bolt it is bolted to and
it came back at 0.00 Ohms.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/20/2021 11:01 AM, Spencer Yost
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
The battery usually sits in a tray and that tray is bolted on with
3 or 4 bolts. That would be my go-to spot if what I just said
about a tray and it’s mounting is true for your tractor. <br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 20, 2021, at 9:40 AM, Carl
Szabelski <a href="mailto:c.s.szabelski@gmail.com" target="_blank"><c.s.szabelski@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I guess it’s also an issue of how long your
cable is. You can get them in various lengths and wire sizes,
so it becomes a matter of how far you have to route the cable.
The farther you have to go, the larger the cable size. You
would also have to consider strapping down the cable if you
have to go a ways.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carl</div>
<div><br>
<br>
On Friday, November 19, 2021, HRP <<a href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com" target="_blank">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">And I don’t picture the adjusting bolt as
necessarily having a good connection to the block for
the starter current. <br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Howard</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On Nov 19, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Carl Szabelski <<a href="mailto:c.s.szabelski@gmail.com" target="_blank">c.s.szabelski@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I wouldn’t use any bolt that’s primary
use is for adjusting. You want a bolt that once
tightened down, doesn’t get touched again for any
reason. If you have to use one that isn’t as easy to
get to, just keep in mind that you shouldn’t ever
have to touch it again. Whatever effort you have to
go through will hopefully only need to be done
once.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carl<br>
<br>
On Friday, November 19, 2021, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> I have an alternator adjustment bolt that
is easy access, would that be a good choice?<br>
<br>
Mike M <br>
<br>
<div>On 11/16/2021 11:34 PM, Carl Szabelski
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> You can run a new
cable to the engine block, just need to find
a spot where there is an unused threaded
hole, or where you can remove a bolt and use
it to make the attachment. Clean the area
and hit it with a file or some sandpaper,
then run a tap in the hole to make sure
everything is clean before attaching the
cable. If necessary use a new bolt and flat
washer, stainless will help with future
corrosion issues/concerns.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carl</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
On Monday, November 15, 2021, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> Tore out the battery today, tons
of corrosion, to the point that the
positive nut for the clamp was almost
reduced by 75%, I had to pound it off.
I thought I had things cleaned up but
it appears that was not the case. I'll
go battery shopping tomorrow, and
hopefully I can find something close.
Meanwhile I have the battery case
coated in baking soda, to help
neutralize the leaking battery acid.
Question for the list can I jump a
diesel, without the battery installed?
I'm running out of time in Michigan,
and all our water is shut off except
the barn frost free. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM, Steve W.
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not a
problem, I get to deal with
these things a lot. At this
point even doing simple repairs
are becoming hard if not
impossible for the average DIYer
due to the way the companies are
building them. There are some
out there now that have “sealed
drivelines” where they have no
dipsticks or easily accessible
fill plugs to even do routine
service and you need a scan tool
to even check fluid levels!<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">Stephen
Offiler</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November
15, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">Antique
Tractor Email Discussion
Group</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT]
Tractor battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Extremely
useful and informative for
modern vehicles, thanks
SteveW!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve O.</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun,
Nov 14, 2021 at 10:39 PM
Steve W. <<a href="mailto:swilliams268@frontier.com" target="_blank">swilliams268@frontier.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Whatever
you do, do NOT use the
old “unhook the battery
to see if it stays
running” test that used
to be done. On any
vehicles newer than
about 1998 that is
almost a guaranteed way
to destroy the charging
system. On most cars and
trucks built from there
on up, the voltage
regulator is part of the
engines control unit.
Those are not cheap to
replace. Another no-no
is to jump start a newer
vehicle without charging
the battery or leaving a
jump pack on it, many of
the newer vehicles will
read the bad battery and
crank the voltage and
amperage way up to try
to compensate for the
low battery, that can
kill the alternator, and
if the battery is
failing it can blow it
up from the excessive
charging. I can’t count
how many vehicles I had
to repair once the bug
measures let people
start using their cars
again, after they were
parked for 3-4 months. <br>
<br>
Now if you are one of
the “fortunate” who has
one of the over
engineered modern
rolling computers made
from about 2017 and up,
Check really close in
service information
before you replace an
old battery, many of
those need to have the
battery initialized into
the system because the
ECU has adjusted itself
as the old battery wore
out, you need to tell it
that you are installing
the new battery and what
it is in CCA and type,
be it a flooded cell,
AGM, Lithium or other as
they all use slightly
different charging
routines and it’s easy
to cook a battery if
it’s set up wrong. To go
with that, many of the
parts stores offer
installation as long as
you have one that is
reasonably easy, there
are quite a few that are
not due to the battery
locations. OH and for
the import owners, be
sure which battery you
actually need as many of
the high dollar brands
use 2 or three different
batteries scattered
around the vehicle.
Mercedes for instance
has one in the trunk,
one under the hood and
one tucked in behind the
dash! <br>
<br>
For those of you who
still want to DIY it,
here is another tip. On
cars that have lots of
options or anything 2017
and up, the security
systems can be a royal
pain if you remove the
battery, they can lock
you out of everything so
you end up towing it to
a dealer to have it
flashed back. The way
around this is simple.
Find the feed and ground
lugs for the fuse box or
if it has them the
jumper terminals mounted
out in the open. Now
grab a power supply or a
fully charged battery
and connect it up to
those, in the case of
using a spare battery,
connect it, start the
engine and let it run
for 20 minutes or so,
that will equalize the
charge in the add-on
battery, verify that the
charging circuit is
working as well, simply
by measuring the voltage
with the engine off,
then again with it
running. With a power
supply (NOT A COMMON
CHARGER) you just dial
it up to the voltage the
service info says or at
least 13 volts. Now you
can disconnect the main
battery without losing
any settings or
programming because the
ECU never sees it
disconnected. Just
remember that the
Positive terminal will
still be hot when you do
this, my SOP is to pull
the ground side, then
take a heavy
rubber/plastic baggy and
as soon as the pos.
comes of it goes into
the bag to keep it safe.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">Henry
Miller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday,
November 14, 2021 4:23
PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[AT] Tractor battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Be
careful with modern
cars, some cycle the
alternator on and off.
Weird when driving to
see the voltmeter not
hold constant. (This was
a rental car, I almost
turned around for one
that worked before I
figured it out )</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Henry
Miller</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">hank@millerfarm.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Sun, Nov 14, 2021, at
16:37, Stephen Offiler
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Quick check is just
battery voltage not
running versus running.
If your</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
alternator is putting
out something, voltage
is higher when running.
If</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
the alternator is bad,
voltage is close to the
same or a bit lower when</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running (probably lower
because the battery gave
up some juice to crank
it</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
over). If you are
wondering if the
alternator is somewhere
in between</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
healthy and dead, turn
on as many electrical
loads as you can while</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running. Alternator
should handle those
loads and still give the
battery</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
terminals something over
13.5V. (Because it is
supplying other things
in</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
addition to battery
recharge, you may not
see the whole 14-ish
volts, but</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
it must be greater than
12.6-ish to be pushing
charge into the battery.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Hope this helps.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at
3:43 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Thanks Steve, it there a
way to test whats coming
out the alternator?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM,
Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Hi Mike:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
I've heard baking soda
can neutralize the acid
but I'd probably ask the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Google for backup on
that.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
A good range for battery
terminal voltage
engine-running is
13.6V-14.4V.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Some modern voltage
regulators have
temperature
compensation, dropping</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
voltage in high
temperature conditions
(when it is easier to
charge and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
easier to overdo it) and
raising voltage in the
cold (when they're not
as</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
eager to accept
charge). Not all
alternators do this, but
I just wanted to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
explain why there's such
a fairly wide range.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at
2:03 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Tough to say Steve, I do
know that I filled some
of the battery chambers</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
with distilled water
because some seemed a
little low, and it
leaked</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
battery acid for a few
days. whats the best way
to clean that up? I know</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
it's very caustic. What
should the voltage be
across the terminals
with the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
engine running?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM,
Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
The question is, what
happened? Is your
alternator not charging?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at
9:30 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Whew!! got it back for
now. It started right up
and the terminals where</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
shiny as new, ground as
well. Voltage across the
terminals was 13.3 and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
climbing. I have the
trickle charger on it
overnight, and will give
it a</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
good workout tomorrow.
Thanks for all the help!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM,
Mike M wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When I checked the
voltage between the
posts with a digital
volt meter,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I only got 11.5 volts, I
left the charger on
overnight, and it's now
up to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
13 volts, so I switched
to a maintainer. It's
raining here today so
I'm</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
leaving it on the
charger, and yes I will
check the grounds for
sure!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Thanks for the advice to
all. I'll let you know
how it turns out.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM,
Steve Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I wonder how many
thousands of times
farmer has typed that
over the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
years!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When Mike said it only
clicked when jumped,
that simply says bad</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
connection. I’m not
sure why the focus on a
bad battery just yet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Steve O.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Sent from my iPhone</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47
AM, Indiana Robinson
<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at
1:22 AM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Makes me wish for my old
tractor and I could back
it up onto a hill,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
let it get rolling and
pop the clutch in 2nd
gear.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM,
Carl Szabelski wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Try jumping it, but
leave the cables
connected for 20-30
minutes before</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
you attempt a start.
Even if you’ve had the
charger on all night.
Even with</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
a dead battery it should
start and run. It may
die when you disconnect
the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
cables, but if it
doesn’t, it should run,
but the battery probably
won’t</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
take a charge.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Carl</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On Tuesday, October 26,
2021, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
So my tractor battery
went dead overnight.
It's an Exide Select</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Performance battery,
with 925 CCA model 31XHE
with 180 minutes of</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
reserve capacity. I
tried jumping it with my
truck but no luck it
would</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
just click. I started
looking online, and
about fell out of my
chair.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Prices started at $300
and and most are out of
stock. Does anyone have</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
any good sources for
batteries? It was
manufactured in 2014, so
I guess</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
the clock just ran out.
Any ideas would be
greatly appreciated. Is</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
there</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
anyway to service it, or
rejuvenate it?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Thank you,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>om/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tra<wbr>ctor.com</a></p>
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Francis Robinson</p>
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aka "farmer"</p>
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Central Indiana USA</p>
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<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>om/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tra<wbr>ctor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing <a href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://" target="_blank">listAT@lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>omhttp://</a><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">lists.antique-tractor<wbr>.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-t<wbr>ractor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing <a href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://" target="_blank">listAT@lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>omhttp://</a><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">lists.antique-tractor<wbr>.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-t<wbr>ractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>om/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tra<wbr>ctor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>om/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tra<wbr>ctor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing <a href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://" target="_blank">listAT@lists.antique-tractor.c<wbr>omhttp://</a><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">lists.antique-tractor<wbr>.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-t<wbr>ractor.com</a></p>
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