<div dir="ltr"><div>Replying to my own note - just found the comment about Tier 3 diesel, so it's pretty modern. It may not have electronic engine controls but my comment about the alternator is certainly valid. Don't do it.</div><div><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:49 AM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Mike - I would say DO NOT fire it up without a battery! I'm not certain but I believe this is a modern-ish compact utility tractor. If so, it is quite likely to have a solid-state voltage regulator built into the alternator and you'll risk burning it up.</div><div><br></div><div>SO<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:26 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
Thanks Dennis, it is all by key. I remember as a teenager, I had to
run a skid steer, and to cut off the air to turn it off.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 10:29 PM, Dennis Johnson
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Mike
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What turns the fuel on and off. If it is a key there is
probably a solenoid somewhere. My 97 Cummins 5.9 in my old
dually has a solenoid to turn fuel on and off. If you have a
mechanical lever to turn the engine on and off you are OK.</div>
<div>I am not aware of anything you would hurt by jumping IH.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
<div> <br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:24 PM, Mike M
<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"><meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> Hi Dennis, thanks for the response, mine is a
Tier 3 diesel engine that is not electronically controlled
as far as I know. Can I do any damage by trying to start it
without the battery installed? I will follow up with the
dealer tomorrow as well. I will also insulate the +/- leads
so they don't touch anything.<br>
<br>
Thank-you,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 7:12 PM, Dennis
Johnson wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Mike,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jumping a diesel w/o battery depends on if you have
any electrons that control or turn on things like fuel
solenoids, etc. Old engines with manual fuel shut off’s
and mechanical injectors should work fine. Newer ones
with more electrons controlling stuff will not run w/o a
battery somehow hooked up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:06 PM,
Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">
<meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> Tore out the battery today, tons of
corrosion, to the point that the positive nut for
the clamp was almost reduced by 75%, I had to pound
it off. I thought I had things cleaned up but it
appears that was not the case. I'll go battery
shopping tomorrow, and hopefully I can find
something close. Meanwhile I have the battery case
coated in baking soda, to help neutralize the
leaking battery acid. Question for the list can I
jump a diesel, without the battery installed? I'm
running out of time in Michigan, and all our water
is shut off except the barn frost free. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM,
Steve W. wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not a problem, I get to
deal with these things a lot. At this point
even doing simple repairs are becoming hard if
not impossible for the average DIYer due to
the way the companies are building them. There
are some out there now that have “sealed
drivelines” where they have no dipsticks or
easily accessible fill plugs to even do
routine service and you need a scan tool to
even check fluid levels!<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">Stephen Offiler</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28
AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">Antique Tractor
Email Discussion Group</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Extremely useful and
informative for modern vehicles, thanks
SteveW!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve O.</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at
10:39 PM Steve W. <<a href="mailto:swilliams268@frontier.com" target="_blank">swilliams268@frontier.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Whatever
you do, do NOT use the old “unhook the
battery to see if it stays running”
test that used to be done. On any
vehicles newer than about 1998 that is
almost a guaranteed way to destroy the
charging system. On most cars and
trucks built from there on up, the
voltage regulator is part of the
engines control unit. Those are not
cheap to replace. Another no-no is to
jump start a newer vehicle without
charging the battery or leaving a jump
pack on it, many of the newer vehicles
will read the bad battery and crank
the voltage and amperage way up to try
to compensate for the low battery,
that can kill the alternator, and if
the battery is failing it can blow it
up from the excessive charging. I
can’t count how many vehicles I had to
repair once the bug measures let
people start using their cars again,
after they were parked for 3-4 months.
<br>
<br>
Now if you are one of the “fortunate”
who has one of the over engineered
modern rolling computers made from
about 2017 and up, Check really close
in service information before you
replace an old battery, many of those
need to have the battery initialized
into the system because the ECU has
adjusted itself as the old battery
wore out, you need to tell it that you
are installing the new battery and
what it is in CCA and type, be it a
flooded cell, AGM, Lithium or other as
they all use slightly different
charging routines and it’s easy to
cook a battery if it’s set up wrong.
To go with that, many of the parts
stores offer installation as long as
you have one that is reasonably easy,
there are quite a few that are not due
to the battery locations. OH and for
the import owners, be sure which
battery you actually need as many of
the high dollar brands use 2 or three
different batteries scattered around
the vehicle. Mercedes for instance has
one in the trunk, one under the hood
and one tucked in behind the dash!
<br>
<br>
For those of you who still want to DIY
it, here is another tip. On cars that
have lots of options or anything 2017
and up, the security systems can be a
royal pain if you remove the battery,
they can lock you out of everything so
you end up towing it to a dealer to
have it flashed back. The way around
this is simple. Find the feed and
ground lugs for the fuse box or if it
has them the jumper terminals mounted
out in the open. Now grab a power
supply or a fully charged battery and
connect it up to those, in the case of
using a spare battery, connect it,
start the engine and let it run for 20
minutes or so, that will equalize the
charge in the add-on battery, verify
that the charging circuit is working
as well, simply by measuring the
voltage with the engine off, then
again with it running. With a power
supply (NOT A COMMON CHARGER) you just
dial it up to the voltage the service
info says or at least 13 volts. Now
you can disconnect the main battery
without losing any settings or
programming because the ECU never sees
it disconnected. Just remember that
the Positive terminal will still be
hot when you do this, my SOP is to
pull the ground side, then take a
heavy rubber/plastic baggy and as soon
as the pos. comes of it goes into the
bag to keep it safe.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">Henry
Miller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 14,
2021 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor
battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Be
careful with modern cars, some cycle
the alternator on and off. Weird when
driving to see the voltmeter not hold
constant. (This was a rental car, I
almost turned around for one that
worked before I figured it out )</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Henry
Miller</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">
hank@millerfarm.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Sun, Nov 14, 2021, at 16:37, Stephen
Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Quick check is just battery voltage
not running versus running. If your</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
alternator is putting out something,
voltage is higher when running. If</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
the alternator is bad, voltage is
close to the same or a bit lower when</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running (probably lower because the
battery gave up some juice to crank it</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
over). If you are wondering if the
alternator is somewhere in between</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
healthy and dead, turn on as many
electrical loads as you can while</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running. Alternator should handle
those loads and still give the battery</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
terminals something over 13.5V.
(Because it is supplying other things
in</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
addition to battery recharge, you may
not see the whole 14-ish volts, but</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
it must be greater than 12.6-ish to be
pushing charge into the battery.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Hope this helps.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Mike M
<<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Thanks Steve, it there a way to test
whats coming out the alternator?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Hi Mike:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
I've heard baking soda can neutralize
the acid but I'd probably ask the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Google for backup on that.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
A good range for battery terminal
voltage engine-running is 13.6V-14.4V.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Some modern voltage regulators have
temperature compensation, dropping</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
voltage in high temperature conditions
(when it is easier to charge and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
easier to overdo it) and raising
voltage in the cold (when they're not
as</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
eager to accept charge). Not all
alternators do this, but I just wanted
to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
explain why there's such a fairly wide
range.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 2:03 PM Mike M
<<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Tough to say Steve, I do know that I
filled some of the battery chambers</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
with distilled water because some
seemed a little low, and it leaked</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
battery acid for a few days. whats the
best way to clean that up? I know</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
it's very caustic. What should the
voltage be across the terminals with
the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
engine running?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
The question is, what happened? Is
your alternator not charging?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:30 PM Mike M
<<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Whew!! got it back for now. It started
right up and the terminals where</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
shiny as new, ground as well. Voltage
across the terminals was 13.3 and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
climbing. I have the trickle charger
on it overnight, and will give it a</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
good workout tomorrow. Thanks for all
the help!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM, Mike M wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When I checked the voltage between the
posts with a digital volt meter,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I only got 11.5 volts, I left the
charger on overnight, and it's now up
to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
13 volts, so I switched to a
maintainer. It's raining here today
so I'm</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
leaving it on the charger, and yes I
will check the grounds for sure!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Thanks for the advice to all. I'll let
you know how it turns out.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM, Steve Offiler
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I wonder how many thousands of times
farmer has typed that over the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
years!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When Mike said it only clicked when
jumped, that simply says bad</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
connection. I’m not sure why the
focus on a bad battery just yet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Steve O.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Sent from my iPhone</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Indiana
Robinson <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:22 AM Mike M
<<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Makes me wish for my old tractor and I
could back it up onto a hill,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
let it get rolling and pop the clutch
in 2nd gear.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM, Carl Szabelski
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Try jumping it, but leave the cables
connected for 20-30 minutes before</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
you attempt a start. Even if you’ve
had the charger on all night. Even
with</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
a dead battery it should start and
run. It may die when you disconnect
the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
cables, but if it doesn’t, it should
run, but the battery probably won’t</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
take a charge.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Carl</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, Mike M
<<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
So my tractor battery went dead
overnight. It's an Exide Select</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Performance battery, with 925 CCA
model 31XHE with 180 minutes of</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
reserve capacity. I tried jumping it
with my truck but no luck it would</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
just click. I started looking online,
and about fell out of my chair.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Prices started at $300 and and most
are out of stock. Does anyone have</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
any good sources for batteries? It was
manufactured in 2014, so I guess</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
the clock just ran out. Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated. Is</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
there</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
anyway to service it, or rejuvenate
it?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Thank you,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
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Central Indiana USA</p>
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