<div dir="ltr"><div>Replying to my own note - just found the comment about Tier 3 diesel, so it's pretty modern.  It may not have electronic engine controls but my comment about the alternator is certainly valid.  Don't do it.</div><div><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:49 AM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Mike - I would say DO NOT fire it up without a battery!  I'm not certain but I believe this is a modern-ish compact utility tractor.  If so, it is quite likely to have a solid-state voltage regulator built into the alternator and you'll risk burning it up.</div><div><br></div><div>SO<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:26 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Thanks Dennis, it is all by key. I remember as a teenager, I had to
    run a skid steer, and to cut off the air to turn it off.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Mike M<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/15/2021 10:29 PM, Dennis Johnson
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Mike
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>What turns the fuel on and off. If it is a key there is
        probably a solenoid somewhere. My 97 Cummins 5.9 in my old
        dually has a solenoid to turn fuel on and off. If you have a
        mechanical lever to turn the engine on and off you are OK.</div>
      <div>I am not aware of anything you would hurt by jumping IH.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thanks</div>
      <div>Dennis</div>
      <div> <br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
        <div dir="ltr"><br>
          <blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:24 PM, Mike M
            <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"><meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr"> Hi Dennis, thanks for the response, mine is a
            Tier 3 diesel engine that is not electronically  controlled 
            as far as I know. Can I do any damage by trying to start it
            without the battery installed? I will follow up with the
            dealer tomorrow as well. I will also insulate the +/-  leads
            so they don't touch anything.<br>
            <br>
            Thank-you,<br>
            Mike M<br>
            <br>
            <div>On 11/15/2021 7:12 PM, Dennis
              Johnson wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">Mike,
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Jumping a diesel w/o battery depends on if you have
                any electrons that control or turn on things like fuel
                solenoids, etc.  Old engines with manual fuel shut off’s
                and mechanical injectors should work fine. Newer ones
                with more electrons controlling stuff will not run w/o a
                battery somehow hooked up.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Thanks</div>
              <div>Dennis</div>
              <div><br>
                <br>
                <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
                <div dir="ltr"><br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:06 PM,
                    Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">
                      <meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div dir="ltr"> Tore out the battery today, tons of
                    corrosion, to the point that the positive nut for
                    the clamp was almost reduced by 75%, I had to pound
                    it off. I thought I had things cleaned up but it
                    appears that was not the case. I'll go battery
                    shopping tomorrow, and hopefully I can find
                    something close. Meanwhile I have the battery case
                    coated in baking soda, to help neutralize the
                    leaking battery acid. Question for the list can I
                    jump a diesel, without the battery installed? I'm
                    running out of time in Michigan, and all our water
                    is shut off except the barn frost free.  <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks,<br>
                    Mike M<br>
                    <br>
                    <div>On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM,
                      Steve W. wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      
                      
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Not a problem, I get to
                          deal with these things a lot. At this point
                          even doing simple repairs are becoming hard if
                          not impossible for the average DIYer due to
                          the way the companies are building them. There
                          are some out there now that have “sealed
                          drivelines” where they have no dipsticks or
                          easily accessible fill plugs to even do
                          routine service and you need a scan tool to
                          even check fluid levels!<br>
                          <br>
                        </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">Stephen Offiler</a><br>
                            <b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28
                            AM<br>
                            <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">Antique Tractor
                              Email Discussion Group</a><br>
                            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Extremely useful and
                              informative for modern vehicles, thanks
                              SteveW!</p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Steve O.</p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at
                              10:39 PM Steve W. <<a href="mailto:swilliams268@frontier.com" target="_blank">swilliams268@frontier.com</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Whatever
                                  you do, do NOT use the old “unhook the
                                  battery to see if it stays running”
                                  test that used to be done. On any
                                  vehicles newer than about 1998 that is
                                  almost a guaranteed way to destroy the
                                  charging system. On most cars and
                                  trucks built from there on up, the
                                  voltage regulator is part of the
                                  engines control unit. Those are not
                                  cheap to replace. Another no-no is to
                                  jump start a newer vehicle without
                                  charging the battery or leaving a jump
                                  pack on it, many of the newer vehicles
                                  will read the bad battery and crank
                                  the voltage and amperage way up to try
                                  to compensate for the low battery,
                                  that can kill the alternator, and if
                                  the battery is failing it can blow it
                                  up from the excessive charging. I
                                  can’t count how many vehicles I had to
                                  repair once the bug measures let
                                  people start using their cars again,
                                  after they were parked for 3-4 months.
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Now if you are one of the “fortunate”
                                  who has one of the over engineered
                                  modern rolling computers made from
                                  about 2017 and up, Check really close
                                  in service information before you
                                  replace an old battery, many of those
                                  need to have the battery initialized
                                  into the system because the ECU has
                                  adjusted itself as the old battery
                                  wore out, you need to tell it that you
                                  are installing the new battery and
                                  what it is in CCA and type, be it a
                                  flooded cell, AGM, Lithium or other as
                                  they all use slightly different
                                  charging routines and it’s easy to
                                  cook a battery if it’s set up wrong.
                                  To go with that, many of the parts
                                  stores offer installation as long as
                                  you have one that is reasonably easy,
                                  there are quite a few that are not due
                                  to the battery locations. OH and for
                                  the import owners, be sure which
                                  battery you actually need as many of
                                  the high dollar brands use 2 or three
                                  different batteries scattered around
                                  the vehicle. Mercedes for instance has
                                  one in the trunk, one under the hood
                                  and one tucked in behind the dash!
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  For those of you who still want to DIY
                                  it, here is another tip. On cars that
                                  have lots of options or anything 2017
                                  and up, the security systems can be a
                                  royal pain if you remove the battery,
                                  they can lock you out of everything so
                                  you end up towing it to a dealer to
                                  have it flashed back. The way around
                                  this is simple. Find the feed and
                                  ground lugs for the fuse box or if it
                                  has them the jumper terminals mounted
                                  out in the open. Now grab a power
                                  supply or a fully charged battery and
                                  connect it up to those, in the case of
                                  using a spare battery, connect it,
                                  start the engine and let it run for 20
                                  minutes or so, that will equalize the
                                  charge in the add-on battery, verify
                                  that the charging circuit is working
                                  as well, simply by measuring the
                                  voltage with the engine off, then
                                  again with it running. With a power
                                  supply (NOT A COMMON CHARGER) you just
                                  dial it up to the voltage the service
                                  info says or at least 13 volts. Now
                                  you can disconnect the main battery
                                  without losing any settings or
                                  programming because the ECU never sees
                                  it disconnected. Just remember that
                                  the Positive terminal will still be
                                  hot when you do this, my SOP is to
                                  pull the ground side, then take a
                                  heavy rubber/plastic baggy and as soon
                                  as the pos. comes of it goes into the
                                  bag to keep it safe.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
                                    </b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">Henry
                                      Miller</a><br>
                                    <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 14,
                                    2021 4:23 PM<br>
                                    <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor
                                    battery</p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Be
                                  careful with modern cars, some cycle
                                  the alternator on and off.  Weird when
                                  driving to see the voltmeter not hold
                                  constant. (This was a rental car, I
                                  almost turned around for one that
                                  worked before I figured it out )</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">--
                                </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  Henry
                                  Miller</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> 
                                  <a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">
                                    hank@millerfarm.com</a></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                  Sun, Nov 14, 2021, at 16:37, Stephen
                                  Offiler wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  Quick check is just battery voltage
                                  not running versus running.  If your</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  alternator is putting out something,
                                  voltage is higher when running.  If</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  the alternator is bad, voltage is
                                  close to the same or a bit lower when</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  running (probably lower because the
                                  battery gave up some juice to crank it</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  over).  If you are wondering if the
                                  alternator is somewhere in between</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  healthy and dead, turn on as many
                                  electrical loads as you can while</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  running.  Alternator should handle
                                  those loads and still give the battery</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  terminals something over 13.5V. 
                                  (Because it is supplying other things
                                  in</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  addition to battery recharge, you may
                                  not see the whole 14-ish volts, but</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  it must be greater than 12.6-ish to be
                                  pushing charge into the battery.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  Hope this helps.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  SO</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>
                                  On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Mike M
                                  <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  Thanks Steve, it there a way to test
                                  whats coming out the alternator?</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM, Stephen Offiler
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  Hi Mike:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  I've heard baking soda can neutralize
                                  the acid but I'd probably ask the</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  Google for backup on that.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  A good range for battery terminal
                                  voltage engine-running is 13.6V-14.4V.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  Some modern voltage regulators have
                                  temperature compensation, dropping</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  voltage in high temperature conditions
                                  (when it is easier to charge and</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  easier to overdo it) and raising
                                  voltage in the cold (when they're not
                                  as</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  eager to accept charge).  Not all
                                  alternators do this, but I just wanted
                                  to</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  explain why there's such a fairly wide
                                  range.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  SO</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>
                                  On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 2:03 PM Mike M
                                  <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  Tough to say Steve, I do know that I
                                  filled some of the battery chambers</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  with distilled water because some
                                  seemed a little low, and it leaked</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  battery acid for a few days. whats the
                                  best way to clean that up? I know</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  it's very caustic. What should the
                                  voltage be across the terminals with
                                  the</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  engine running?</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  Thanks,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM, Stephen Offiler
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  The question is, what happened?  Is
                                  your alternator not charging?</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  SO</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>
                                  On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:30 PM Mike M
                                  <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Whew!! got it back for now. It started
                                  right up and the terminals where</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  shiny as new, ground as well. Voltage
                                  across the terminals was 13.3 and</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  climbing. I have the trickle charger
                                  on it overnight, and will give it a</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  good workout tomorrow. Thanks for all
                                  the help!</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Regards,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM, Mike M wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  When I checked the voltage between the
                                  posts with a digital volt meter,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  I only got 11.5 volts, I left the
                                  charger on overnight, and it's now up
                                  to</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  13 volts, so I switched to a
                                  maintainer.  It's raining here today
                                  so I'm</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  leaving it on the charger, and yes I
                                  will check the grounds for sure!</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Thanks for the advice to all. I'll let
                                  you know how it turns out.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Regards,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM, Steve Offiler
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  I wonder how many thousands of times
                                  farmer has typed that over the</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  years!</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  When Mike said it only clicked when
                                  jumped, that simply says bad</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  connection.  I’m not sure why the
                                  focus on a bad battery just yet.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Steve O.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Sent from my iPhone</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Indiana
                                  Robinson <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Check the grounds.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Check the grounds.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Check the grounds.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  .</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:22 AM Mike M
                                  <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  Makes me wish for my old tractor and I
                                  could back it up onto a hill,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  let it get rolling and pop the clutch
                                  in 2nd gear.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM, Carl Szabelski
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  Mike,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  Try jumping it, but leave the cables
                                  connected for 20-30 minutes before</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  you attempt a start. Even if you’ve
                                  had the charger on all night. Even
                                  with</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  a dead battery it should start and
                                  run. It may die when you disconnect
                                  the</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  cables, but if it doesn’t, it should
                                  run, but the battery probably won’t</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  take a charge.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  Carl</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
                                  On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, Mike M
                                  <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  So my tractor battery went dead
                                  overnight. It's an Exide Select</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  Performance battery, with 925 CCA
                                  model 31XHE with 180 minutes of</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  reserve capacity. I tried jumping it
                                  with my truck but no luck it would</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  just click. I started looking online,
                                  and about fell out of my chair.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  Prices started at $300 and and most
                                  are out of stock. Does anyone have</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  any good sources for batteries? It was
                                  manufactured in 2014, so I guess</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  the clock just ran out. Any ideas
                                  would be greatly appreciated. Is</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  there</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  anyway to service it, or rejuvenate
                                  it?</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  Thank you,</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  Mike M</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
                                  --</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Francis Robinson</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  aka "farmer"</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
                                  Central Indiana USA</p>
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