<div dir="ltr"><div>Get something like this:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/GRO849233?impressionRank=63">https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/GRO849233?impressionRank=63</a></div><div><br></div><div>Then find a good solid spot to attach it to the chassis, closer to the engine block/starter the better.</div><div><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:23 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
What a mess! I tried to clean the wires, but they were so corroded I
just bought new ones. The positive terminal only had 1/4 of the nut
left. I bought battery cleaner today and hosed it down really well,
I found a local company that sells Interstate batteries for a
reasonable price, after talking with the dealer. He's a great guy
who not only sells but also works on equipment. Their is no good way
to get to the ground wire, to shine up the connection. Question
would be, what's the best way to establish a new path for a ground
for the battery?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/16/2021 9:21 AM, Indiana Robinson
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>I wouldn't think that there would likely be any problem
with just cleaning up the old battery and terminals well and
reinstalling it to jump start the tractor and to protect the
charging system while using it. You might even find that you
don't really need to replace the battery right now. Sometimes
charging systems behave a little odd. :-) Clean both cables
at both ends. Don't let any of the baking soda get in the
battery (cap off, vents etc.). Actually these days I am kind
of fond of the battery cleaner that tells you by color if you
have gotten all of the acid off of the case. Note that if
you get any acid on your clothes it will seem ok until they
are washed and then they will fall apart. :-) <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>.<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:50
AM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Mike - I would say DO NOT fire it up without a
battery! I'm not certain but I believe this is a
modern-ish compact utility tractor. If so, it is quite
likely to have a solid-state voltage regulator built into
the alternator and you'll risk burning it up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>SO<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at
11:26 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> Thanks Dennis, it is all by key. I remember as a
teenager, I had to run a skid steer, and to cut off the
air to turn it off.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 10:29 PM, Dennis Johnson wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> Mike
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What turns the fuel on and off. If it is a key
there is probably a solenoid somewhere. My 97
Cummins 5.9 in my old dually has a solenoid to turn
fuel on and off. If you have a mechanical lever to
turn the engine on and off you are OK.</div>
<div>I am not aware of anything you would hurt by
jumping IH.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
<div> <br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:24
PM, Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"><meulenms@gmx.com></a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> Hi Dennis, thanks for the
response, mine is a Tier 3 diesel engine that is
not electronically controlled as far as I
know. Can I do any damage by trying to start it
without the battery installed? I will follow up
with the dealer tomorrow as well. I will also
insulate the +/- leads so they don't touch
anything.<br>
<br>
Thank-you,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 7:12 PM, Dennis Johnson
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Mike,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jumping a diesel w/o battery depends on
if you have any electrons that control or
turn on things like fuel solenoids, etc.
Old engines with manual fuel shut off’s and
mechanical injectors should work fine. Newer
ones with more electrons controlling stuff
will not run w/o a battery somehow hooked
up.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021,
at 6:06 PM, Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">
<meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> Tore out the battery
today, tons of corrosion, to the point
that the positive nut for the clamp was
almost reduced by 75%, I had to pound it
off. I thought I had things cleaned up
but it appears that was not the case.
I'll go battery shopping tomorrow, and
hopefully I can find something close.
Meanwhile I have the battery case coated
in baking soda, to help neutralize the
leaking battery acid. Question for the
list can I jump a diesel, without the
battery installed? I'm running out of
time in Michigan, and all our water is
shut off except the barn frost free. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
<div>On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM, Steve W.
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not a problem,
I get to deal with these things a
lot. At this point even doing
simple repairs are becoming hard
if not impossible for the average
DIYer due to the way the companies
are building them. There are some
out there now that have “sealed
drivelines” where they have no
dipsticks or easily accessible
fill plugs to even do routine
service and you need a scan tool
to even check fluid levels!<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">Stephen
Offiler</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November
15, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">Antique
Tractor Email Discussion Group</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT]
Tractor battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Extremely
useful and informative for
modern vehicles, thanks
SteveW!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve O.</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov
14, 2021 at 10:39 PM Steve W.
<<a href="mailto:swilliams268@frontier.com" target="_blank">swilliams268@frontier.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Whatever
you do, do NOT use the old
“unhook the battery to see
if it stays running” test
that used to be done. On
any vehicles newer than
about 1998 that is almost
a guaranteed way to
destroy the charging
system. On most cars and
trucks built from there on
up, the voltage regulator
is part of the engines
control unit. Those are
not cheap to replace.
Another no-no is to jump
start a newer vehicle
without charging the
battery or leaving a jump
pack on it, many of the
newer vehicles will read
the bad battery and crank
the voltage and amperage
way up to try to
compensate for the low
battery, that can kill the
alternator, and if the
battery is failing it can
blow it up from the
excessive charging. I
can’t count how many
vehicles I had to repair
once the bug measures let
people start using their
cars again, after they
were parked for 3-4
months. <br>
<br>
Now if you are one of the
“fortunate” who has one of
the over engineered modern
rolling computers made
from about 2017 and up,
Check really close in
service information before
you replace an old
battery, many of those
need to have the battery
initialized into the
system because the ECU has
adjusted itself as the old
battery wore out, you need
to tell it that you are
installing the new battery
and what it is in CCA and
type, be it a flooded
cell, AGM, Lithium or
other as they all use
slightly different
charging routines and it’s
easy to cook a battery if
it’s set up wrong. To go
with that, many of the
parts stores offer
installation as long as
you have one that is
reasonably easy, there are
quite a few that are not
due to the battery
locations. OH and for the
import owners, be sure
which battery you actually
need as many of the high
dollar brands use 2 or
three different batteries
scattered around the
vehicle. Mercedes for
instance has one in the
trunk, one under the hood
and one tucked in behind
the dash! <br>
<br>
For those of you who still
want to DIY it, here is
another tip. On cars that
have lots of options or
anything 2017 and up, the
security systems can be a
royal pain if you remove
the battery, they can lock
you out of everything so
you end up towing it to a
dealer to have it flashed
back. The way around this
is simple. Find the feed
and ground lugs for the
fuse box or if it has them
the jumper terminals
mounted out in the open.
Now grab a power supply or
a fully charged battery
and connect it up to
those, in the case of
using a spare battery,
connect it, start the
engine and let it run for
20 minutes or so, that
will equalize the charge
in the add-on battery,
verify that the charging
circuit is working as
well, simply by measuring
the voltage with the
engine off, then again
with it running. With a
power supply (NOT A COMMON
CHARGER) you just dial it
up to the voltage the
service info says or at
least 13 volts. Now you
can disconnect the main
battery without losing any
settings or programming
because the ECU never sees
it disconnected. Just
remember that the Positive
terminal will still be hot
when you do this, my SOP
is to pull the ground
side, then take a heavy
rubber/plastic baggy and
as soon as the pos. comes
of it goes into the bag to
keep it safe.<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">Henry
Miller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday,
November 14, 2021 4:23
PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[AT] Tractor battery</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Be
careful with modern cars,
some cycle the alternator
on and off. Weird when
driving to see the
voltmeter not hold
constant. (This was a
rental car, I almost
turned around for one that
worked before I figured it
out )</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Henry
Miller</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com" target="_blank">
hank@millerfarm.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun,
Nov 14, 2021, at 16:37,
Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Quick check is just
battery voltage not
running versus running.
If your</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
alternator is putting out
something, voltage is
higher when running. If</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
the alternator is bad,
voltage is close to the
same or a bit lower when</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running (probably lower
because the battery gave
up some juice to crank it</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
over). If you are
wondering if the
alternator is somewhere in
between</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
healthy and dead, turn on
as many electrical loads
as you can while</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
running. Alternator
should handle those loads
and still give the battery</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
terminals something over
13.5V. (Because it is
supplying other things in</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
addition to battery
recharge, you may not see
the whole 14-ish volts,
but</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> it
must be greater than
12.6-ish to be pushing
charge into the battery.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>
Hope this helps.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> On
Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:43
PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Thanks Steve, it there a
way to test whats coming
out the alternator?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM,
Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Hi Mike:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
I've heard baking soda can
neutralize the acid but
I'd probably ask the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Google for backup on that.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
A good range for battery
terminal voltage
engine-running is
13.6V-14.4V.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
Some modern voltage
regulators have
temperature compensation,
dropping</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
voltage in high
temperature conditions
(when it is easier to
charge and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
easier to overdo it) and
raising voltage in the
cold (when they're not as</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
eager to accept charge).
Not all alternators do
this, but I just wanted to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
explain why there's such a
fairly wide range.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at
2:03 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Tough to say Steve, I do
know that I filled some of
the battery chambers</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
with distilled water
because some seemed a
little low, and it leaked</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
battery acid for a few
days. whats the best way
to clean that up? I know</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
it's very caustic. What
should the voltage be
across the terminals with
the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
engine running?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM,
Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
The question is, what
happened? Is your
alternator not charging?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
SO</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at
9:30 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Whew!! got it back for
now. It started right up
and the terminals where</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
shiny as new, ground as
well. Voltage across the
terminals was 13.3 and</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
climbing. I have the
trickle charger on it
overnight, and will give
it a</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
good workout tomorrow.
Thanks for all the help!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM,
Mike M wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When I checked the voltage
between the posts with a
digital volt meter,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I only got 11.5 volts, I
left the charger on
overnight, and it's now up
to</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
13 volts, so I switched to
a maintainer. It's
raining here today so I'm</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
leaving it on the charger,
and yes I will check the
grounds for sure!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Thanks for the advice to
all. I'll let you know how
it turns out.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM,
Steve Offiler wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
I wonder how many
thousands of times farmer
has typed that over the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
years!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
When Mike said it only
clicked when jumped, that
simply says bad</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
connection. I’m not sure
why the focus on a bad
battery just yet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Steve O.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Sent from my iPhone</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47
AM, Indiana Robinson <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
Check the grounds.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at
1:22 AM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Makes me wish for my old
tractor and I could back
it up onto a hill,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
let it get rolling and pop
the clutch in 2nd gear.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM,
Carl Szabelski wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Mike,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Try jumping it, but leave
the cables connected for
20-30 minutes before</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
you attempt a start. Even
if you’ve had the charger
on all night. Even with</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
a dead battery it should
start and run. It may die
when you disconnect the</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
cables, but if it doesn’t,
it should run, but the
battery probably won’t</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
take a charge.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
Carl</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>
On Tuesday, October 26,
2021, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
So my tractor battery went
dead overnight. It's an
Exide Select</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Performance battery, with
925 CCA model 31XHE with
180 minutes of</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
reserve capacity. I tried
jumping it with my truck
but no luck it would</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
just click. I started
looking online, and about
fell out of my chair.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Prices started at $300 and
and most are out of stock.
Does anyone have</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
any good sources for
batteries? It was
manufactured in 2014, so I
guess</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
the clock just ran out.
Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated. Is</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
there</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
anyway to service it, or
rejuvenate it?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Thank you,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>>
Mike M</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>>>> </p>
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Francis Robinson</p>
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aka "farmer"</p>
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Central Indiana USA</p>
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<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>
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Francis Robinson<br>
aka "farmer"<br>
Central Indiana USA<br>
<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a><br>
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<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>
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