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Tore out the battery today, tons of corrosion, to the point that the
positive nut for the clamp was almost reduced by 75%, I had to pound
it off. I thought I had things cleaned up but it appears that was
not the case. I'll go battery shopping tomorrow, and hopefully I can
find something close. Meanwhile I have the battery case coated in
baking soda, to help neutralize the leaking battery acid. Question
for the list can I jump a diesel, without the battery installed? I'm
running out of time in Michigan, and all our water is shut off
except the barn frost free. <br>
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Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM, Steve W. wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not a problem, I get to deal with these
things a lot. At this point even doing simple repairs are
becoming hard if not impossible for the average DIYer due to
the way the companies are building them. There are some out
there now that have “sealed drivelines” where they have no
dipsticks or easily accessible fill plugs to even do routine
service and you need a scan tool to even check fluid levels!<br>
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</b><a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Stephen Offiler</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Extremely useful and informative for
modern vehicles, thanks SteveW!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:39 PM Steve
W. <<a href="mailto:swilliams268@frontier.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">swilliams268@frontier.com</a>>
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you do, do NOT use the old “unhook the battery to see
if it stays running” test that used to be done. On any
vehicles newer than about 1998 that is almost a
guaranteed way to destroy the charging system. On most
cars and trucks built from there on up, the voltage
regulator is part of the engines control unit. Those
are not cheap to replace. Another no-no is to jump
start a newer vehicle without charging the battery or
leaving a jump pack on it, many of the newer vehicles
will read the bad battery and crank the voltage and
amperage way up to try to compensate for the low
battery, that can kill the alternator, and if the
battery is failing it can blow it up from the
excessive charging. I can’t count how many vehicles I
had to repair once the bug measures let people start
using their cars again, after they were parked for 3-4
months. <br>
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Now if you are one of the “fortunate” who has one of
the over engineered modern rolling computers made from
about 2017 and up, Check really close in service
information before you replace an old battery, many of
those need to have the battery initialized into the
system because the ECU has adjusted itself as the old
battery wore out, you need to tell it that you are
installing the new battery and what it is in CCA and
type, be it a flooded cell, AGM, Lithium or other as
they all use slightly different charging routines and
it’s easy to cook a battery if it’s set up wrong. To
go with that, many of the parts stores offer
installation as long as you have one that is
reasonably easy, there are quite a few that are not
due to the battery locations. OH and for the import
owners, be sure which battery you actually need as
many of the high dollar brands use 2 or three
different batteries scattered around the vehicle.
Mercedes for instance has one in the trunk, one under
the hood and one tucked in behind the dash! <br>
<br>
For those of you who still want to DIY it, here is
another tip. On cars that have lots of options or
anything 2017 and up, the security systems can be a
royal pain if you remove the battery, they can lock
you out of everything so you end up towing it to a
dealer to have it flashed back. The way around this is
simple. Find the feed and ground lugs for the fuse box
or if it has them the jumper terminals mounted out in
the open. Now grab a power supply or a fully charged
battery and connect it up to those, in the case of
using a spare battery, connect it, start the engine
and let it run for 20 minutes or so, that will
equalize the charge in the add-on battery, verify that
the charging circuit is working as well, simply by
measuring the voltage with the engine off, then again
with it running. With a power supply (NOT A COMMON
CHARGER) you just dial it up to the voltage the
service info says or at least 13 volts. Now you can
disconnect the main battery without losing any
settings or programming because the ECU never sees it
disconnected. Just remember that the Positive terminal
will still be hot when you do this, my SOP is to pull
the ground side, then take a heavy rubber/plastic
baggy and as soon as the pos. comes of it goes into
the bag to keep it safe.<br>
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</b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Henry
Miller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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careful with modern cars, some cycle the alternator on
and off. Weird when driving to see the voltmeter not
hold constant. (This was a rental car, I almost turned
around for one that worked before I figured it out )</p>
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Miller</p>
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Sun, Nov 14, 2021, at 16:37, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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Quick check is just battery voltage not running versus
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alternator is putting out something, voltage is higher
when running. If</p>
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the alternator is bad, voltage is close to the same or
a bit lower when</p>
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running (probably lower because the battery gave up
some juice to crank it</p>
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over). If you are wondering if the alternator is
somewhere in between</p>
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healthy and dead, turn on as many electrical loads as
you can while</p>
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running. Alternator should handle those loads and
still give the battery</p>
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terminals something over 13.5V. (Because it is
supplying other things in</p>
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addition to battery recharge, you may not see the
whole 14-ish volts, but</p>
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it must be greater than 12.6-ish to be pushing charge
into the battery.</p>
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Hope this helps.</p>
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SO</p>
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Mike M <<a
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Thanks Steve, it there a way to test whats coming out
the alternator?</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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Hi Mike:</p>
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I've heard baking soda can neutralize the acid but I'd
probably ask the</p>
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Google for backup on that.</p>
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A good range for battery terminal voltage
engine-running is 13.6V-14.4V.</p>
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Some modern voltage regulators have temperature
compensation, dropping</p>
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voltage in high temperature conditions (when it is
easier to charge and</p>
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easier to overdo it) and raising voltage in the cold
(when they're not as</p>
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eager to accept charge). Not all alternators do this,
but I just wanted to</p>
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explain why there's such a fairly wide range.</p>
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SO</p>
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 2:03 PM Mike M <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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Tough to say Steve, I do know that I filled some of
the battery chambers</p>
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with distilled water because some seemed a little low,
and it leaked</p>
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battery acid for a few days. whats the best way to
clean that up? I know</p>
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it's very caustic. What should the voltage be across
the terminals with the</p>
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engine running?</p>
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Thanks,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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The question is, what happened? Is your alternator
not charging?</p>
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SO</p>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:30 PM Mike M <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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Whew!! got it back for now. It started right up and
the terminals where</p>
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shiny as new, ground as well. Voltage across the
terminals was 13.3 and</p>
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climbing. I have the trickle charger on it overnight,
and will give it a</p>
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good workout tomorrow. Thanks for all the help!</p>
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Regards,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM, Mike M wrote:</p>
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When I checked the voltage between the posts with a
digital volt meter,</p>
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I only got 11.5 volts, I left the charger on
overnight, and it's now up to</p>
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13 volts, so I switched to a maintainer. It's raining
here today so I'm</p>
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leaving it on the charger, and yes I will check the
grounds for sure!</p>
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Thanks for the advice to all. I'll let you know how it
turns out.</p>
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Regards,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM, Steve Offiler wrote:</p>
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I wonder how many thousands of times farmer has typed
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years!</p>
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When Mike said it only clicked when jumped, that
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connection. I’m not sure why the focus on a bad
battery just yet.</p>
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Steve O.</p>
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Sent from my iPhone</p>
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On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Indiana Robinson <<a
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<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
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Check the grounds.</p>
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Check the grounds.</p>
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Check the grounds.</p>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:22 AM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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Makes me wish for my old tractor and I could back it
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let it get rolling and pop the clutch in 2nd gear.</p>
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On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM, Carl Szabelski wrote:</p>
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Mike,</p>
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you attempt a start. Even if you’ve had the charger on
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a dead battery it should start and run. It may die
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cables, but if it doesn’t, it should run, but the
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take a charge.</p>
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On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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So my tractor battery went dead overnight. It's an
Exide Select</p>
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Performance battery, with 925 CCA model 31XHE with 180
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reserve capacity. I tried jumping it with my truck but
no luck it would</p>
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just click. I started looking online, and about fell
out of my chair.</p>
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Prices started at $300 and and most are out of stock.
Does anyone have</p>
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any good sources for batteries? It was manufactured in
2014, so I guess</p>
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the clock just ran out. Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated. Is</p>
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there</p>
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anyway to service it, or rejuvenate it?</p>
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Thank you,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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Francis Robinson</p>
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aka "farmer"</p>
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Central Indiana USA</p>
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<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">robinson46176@gmail.com</a></p>
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href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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mailing list</p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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