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Hi Dennis, thanks for the response, mine is a Tier 3 diesel engine
that is not electronically controlled as far as I know. Can I do
any damage by trying to start it without the battery installed? I
will follow up with the dealer tomorrow as well. I will also
insulate the +/- leads so they don't touch anything.<br>
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Thank-you,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2021 7:12 PM, Dennis Johnson
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<div>Jumping a diesel w/o battery depends on if you have any
electrons that control or turn on things like fuel solenoids,
etc. Old engines with manual fuel shut off’s and mechanical
injectors should work fine. Newer ones with more electrons
controlling stuff will not run w/o a battery somehow hooked up.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Dennis</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:06 PM, Mike M
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"><meulenms@gmx.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Tore out the battery today, tons of
corrosion, to the point that the positive nut for the clamp
was almost reduced by 75%, I had to pound it off. I thought
I had things cleaned up but it appears that was not the
case. I'll go battery shopping tomorrow, and hopefully I can
find something close. Meanwhile I have the battery case
coated in baking soda, to help neutralize the leaking
battery acid. Question for the list can I jump a diesel,
without the battery installed? I'm running out of time in
Michigan, and all our water is shut off except the barn
frost free. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2021 3:37 PM, Steve W.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not a problem, I get to deal with
these things a lot. At this point even doing simple
repairs are becoming hard if not impossible for the
average DIYer due to the way the companies are
building them. There are some out there now that have
“sealed drivelines” where they have no dipsticks or
easily accessible fill plugs to even do routine
service and you need a scan tool to even check fluid
levels!<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">Stephen Offiler</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Extremely useful and
informative for modern vehicles, thanks SteveW!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:39
PM Steve W. <<a
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you do, do NOT use the old “unhook the battery
to see if it stays running” test that used to
be done. On any vehicles newer than about 1998
that is almost a guaranteed way to destroy the
charging system. On most cars and trucks built
from there on up, the voltage regulator is
part of the engines control unit. Those are
not cheap to replace. Another no-no is to jump
start a newer vehicle without charging the
battery or leaving a jump pack on it, many of
the newer vehicles will read the bad battery
and crank the voltage and amperage way up to
try to compensate for the low battery, that
can kill the alternator, and if the battery is
failing it can blow it up from the excessive
charging. I can’t count how many vehicles I
had to repair once the bug measures let people
start using their cars again, after they were
parked for 3-4 months.
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Now if you are one of the “fortunate” who has
one of the over engineered modern rolling
computers made from about 2017 and up, Check
really close in service information before you
replace an old battery, many of those need to
have the battery initialized into the system
because the ECU has adjusted itself as the old
battery wore out, you need to tell it that you
are installing the new battery and what it is
in CCA and type, be it a flooded cell, AGM,
Lithium or other as they all use slightly
different charging routines and it’s easy to
cook a battery if it’s set up wrong. To go
with that, many of the parts stores offer
installation as long as you have one that is
reasonably easy, there are quite a few that
are not due to the battery locations. OH and
for the import owners, be sure which battery
you actually need as many of the high dollar
brands use 2 or three different batteries
scattered around the vehicle. Mercedes for
instance has one in the trunk, one under the
hood and one tucked in behind the dash!
<br>
<br>
For those of you who still want to DIY it,
here is another tip. On cars that have lots of
options or anything 2017 and up, the security
systems can be a royal pain if you remove the
battery, they can lock you out of everything
so you end up towing it to a dealer to have it
flashed back. The way around this is simple.
Find the feed and ground lugs for the fuse box
or if it has them the jumper terminals mounted
out in the open. Now grab a power supply or a
fully charged battery and connect it up to
those, in the case of using a spare battery,
connect it, start the engine and let it run
for 20 minutes or so, that will equalize the
charge in the add-on battery, verify that the
charging circuit is working as well, simply by
measuring the voltage with the engine off,
then again with it running. With a power
supply (NOT A COMMON CHARGER) you just dial it
up to the voltage the service info says or at
least 13 volts. Now you can disconnect the
main battery without losing any settings or
programming because the ECU never sees it
disconnected. Just remember that the Positive
terminal will still be hot when you do this,
my SOP is to pull the ground side, then take a
heavy rubber/plastic baggy and as soon as the
pos. comes of it goes into the bag to keep it
safe.<br>
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</b><a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Henry
Miller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 14, 2021 4:23
PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Tractor battery</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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careful with modern cars, some cycle the
alternator on and off. Weird when driving to
see the voltmeter not hold constant. (This was
a rental car, I almost turned around for one
that worked before I figured it out )</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Miller</p>
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<a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com"
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hank@millerfarm.com</a></p>
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Sun, Nov 14, 2021, at 16:37, Stephen Offiler
wrote:</p>
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Quick check is just battery voltage not
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alternator is putting out something, voltage
is higher when running. If</p>
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the alternator is bad, voltage is close to the
same or a bit lower when</p>
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running (probably lower because the battery
gave up some juice to crank it</p>
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over). If you are wondering if the alternator
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healthy and dead, turn on as many electrical
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running. Alternator should handle those loads
and still give the battery</p>
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terminals something over 13.5V. (Because it
is supplying other things in</p>
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addition to battery recharge, you may not see
the whole 14-ish volts, but</p>
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it must be greater than 12.6-ish to be pushing
charge into the battery.</p>
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Hope this helps.</p>
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SO</p>
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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Thanks Steve, it there a way to test whats
coming out the alternator?</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 11/14/2021 2:15 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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Hi Mike:</p>
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I've heard baking soda can neutralize the acid
but I'd probably ask the</p>
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Google for backup on that.</p>
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A good range for battery terminal voltage
engine-running is 13.6V-14.4V.</p>
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Some modern voltage regulators have
temperature compensation, dropping</p>
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voltage in high temperature conditions (when
it is easier to charge and</p>
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easier to overdo it) and raising voltage in
the cold (when they're not as</p>
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eager to accept charge). Not all alternators
do this, but I just wanted to</p>
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explain why there's such a fairly wide range.</p>
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SO</p>
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 2:03 PM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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Tough to say Steve, I do know that I filled
some of the battery chambers</p>
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with distilled water because some seemed a
little low, and it leaked</p>
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battery acid for a few days. whats the best
way to clean that up? I know</p>
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it's very caustic. What should the voltage be
across the terminals with the</p>
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engine running?</p>
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Thanks,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/28/2021 6:08 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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The question is, what happened? Is your
alternator not charging?</p>
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SO</p>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:30 PM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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Whew!! got it back for now. It started right
up and the terminals where</p>
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shiny as new, ground as well. Voltage across
the terminals was 13.3 and</p>
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climbing. I have the trickle charger on it
overnight, and will give it a</p>
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good workout tomorrow. Thanks for all the
help!</p>
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Regards,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/27/2021 1:22 PM, Mike M wrote:</p>
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When I checked the voltage between the posts
with a digital volt meter,</p>
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I only got 11.5 volts, I left the charger on
overnight, and it's now up to</p>
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13 volts, so I switched to a maintainer. It's
raining here today so I'm</p>
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leaving it on the charger, and yes I will
check the grounds for sure!</p>
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Thanks for the advice to all. I'll let you
know how it turns out.</p>
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Regards,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/27/2021 7:54 AM, Steve Offiler wrote:</p>
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I wonder how many thousands of times farmer
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years!</p>
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When Mike said it only clicked when jumped,
that simply says bad</p>
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connection. I’m not sure why the focus on a
bad battery just yet.</p>
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Steve O.</p>
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Sent from my iPhone</p>
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On Oct 27, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Indiana Robinson
<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>></p>
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<<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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Check the grounds.</p>
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Check the grounds.</p>
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Check the grounds.</p>
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 1:22 AM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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Makes me wish for my old tractor and I could
back it up onto a hill,</p>
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let it get rolling and pop the clutch in 2nd
gear.</p>
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Mike M</p>
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On 10/26/2021 11:46 PM, Carl Szabelski wrote:</p>
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Mike,</p>
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Try jumping it, but leave the cables connected
for 20-30 minutes before</p>
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you attempt a start. Even if you’ve had the
charger on all night. Even with</p>
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a dead battery it should start and run. It may
die when you disconnect the</p>
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cables, but if it doesn’t, it should run, but
the battery probably won’t</p>
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take a charge.</p>
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Carl</p>
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On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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So my tractor battery went dead overnight.
It's an Exide Select</p>
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Performance battery, with 925 CCA model 31XHE
with 180 minutes of</p>
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reserve capacity. I tried jumping it with my
truck but no luck it would</p>
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just click. I started looking online, and
about fell out of my chair.</p>
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Prices started at $300 and and most are out of
stock. Does anyone have</p>
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any good sources for batteries? It was
manufactured in 2014, so I guess</p>
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the clock just ran out. Any ideas would be
greatly appreciated. Is</p>
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there</p>
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anyway to service it, or rejuvenate it?</p>
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Thank you,</p>
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Mike M</p>
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This email has been checked for viruses by
Avast antivirus software.</p>
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<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"
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https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a></p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
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href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://"
moz-do-not-send="true">
listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://</a><a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<<a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon</a>>
Virus-free.</p>
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<a href="http://www.avast.com" target="_blank"
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<<a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link</a>></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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Francis Robinson</p>
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aka "farmer"</p>
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Central Indiana USA</p>
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<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
robinson46176@gmail.com</a></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
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AT mailing
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href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://"
moz-do-not-send="true">
listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://</a><a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing
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href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://"
moz-do-not-send="true">
listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://</a><a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
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AT mailing
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href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://"
moz-do-not-send="true">
listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://</a><a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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AT mailing list</p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
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AT mailing
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
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href="mailto:listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://"
moz-do-not-send="true">
listAT@lists.antique-tractor.comhttp://</a><a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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<a
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