He said if there was any issue with insurance paying for anything, he would take care of it. Made that statement to several people, and in front of the police. One driver was doing a lot of video with his phone and probably has it on record.<div><br></div><div>Carl<br><br>On Saturday, August 21, 2021, Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I bet his insurance won't pay either..</p>
    <p>Cecil<br>
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    <div>On 8/21/2021 8:34 AM, Brad Loomis
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 6:14
          AM Carl Szabelski <<a href="mailto:c.s.szabelski@gmail.com" target="_blank">c.s.szabelski@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Well,
          yesterday evening didn’t turn out to good for me. Wife sent me
          to the local church dinner event to get dinner since it was
          too muggy and she decided not to cook. On the way a driver
          pulling a large dump trailer filled with rock took out my
          windshield , as well as the windshield of over 14+ other
          drivers. I have several windshield and hood chips and dings,
          one “chip” the size of a tennis ball. Turns out his gate was
          bent up and even though it was fully closed, rock was falling
          out of the bottom. Didn’t help that he was doing 55 in a 35
          zone. Turned around and chased him for a couple of miles
          before I could get him to pull over. No sooner than he got out
          of his truck, several other drivers pulled up behind him. Long
          story short several local police cars and a sheriff’s car
          showed up and started taking damage reports from all the
          drivers who called, they must have been flooded with calls.
          The road was lined for several miles with police cars and
          drivers who pulled over where they got hit. One officer was
          tasked with taking pictures of the damage, as well as
          everybody’s license plate, drivers’s license, registration,
          and proof of insurance. Another officer was tasked with
          rolling everything into one large report instead of dozens of
          incident reports. With all those pictures, that’s going to be
          a large report.
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          <div>Carl<br>
            <br>
            On Friday, August 20, 2021, <<a href="mailto:k7jdj@aol.com" target="_blank">k7jdj@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <div> <font size="2">Many years ago my mother was in a
                    McDonald's parking lot minor damage and she was
                    charged with hit and run because she failed to give
                    her diver license number to the other driver.  She
                    thought all that was needed was the vehicle license
                    plate, of course anyone could have been driving. 
                    State law requires you to give your driver license
                    number to the other driver.  I not only give them my
                    license, but take a picture of them holding it so it
                    shows my license in their hand. <br>
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                <div><font size="2">Gary</font></div>
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                <div><font size="2">Renton, WA</font><br>
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                    From: <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a><br>
                    To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                    Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2021 3:51 pm<br>
                    Subject: Re: [AT] Off topic - P/U Accident --- Front
                    Dash Camera recommendation<br>
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                          <div>Thanks every one for your comments and
                            suggestions. I didn’t do certain things at
                            the accident site I should have. But… let me
                            tell you I was more than a little shook up.
                            In those last few seconds while trying to
                            miss him your mind goes into overdrive
                            thinking terrible things.   I think I did a
                            damned good job of minimizing the damage
                            both to his truck as well as mine.  If I had
                            rear ended him is suspect both trucks would
                            have been totaled with the possibility of
                            some injuries.  So having the sense under
                            pressure to drive to the right to miss him
                            and not hit the trees was pretty good for
                            this old man.   But…. I wasn’t thinking very
                            good when it came time to get pictures of
                            the scene and of various documents.  I have
                            a perfectly good Smart Phone but I resorted
                            to hand writing all information.  There were
                            two factors that confused things for me.  He
                            left the scene of the accident for a short
                            time so the actual accident scene had
                            already been compromised and it was pitch
                            black with no moon or the moon was covered
                            with clouds. It was really dark.  So I
                            resorted to a flashlight. Forgetting that my
                            Android phone has a flash etc.  I’ll admit I
                            was a bit shook up. My mind had contemplated
                            something much worse. I wasn’t thinking 100%
                            straight anymore. The strange part is I
                            cannot find any evidence of the collision at
                            the site in daylight. I cannot find any
                            pieces of car parts, or plastic or
                            anything.  I’m now thinking it has been
                            stripped of any evidence.  I’ve been up and
                            down the road at several driveways and
                            cannot find a thing. That really bothers
                            me.  I also am a bit confused about how ABS
                            brakes work, I was on the brake pedal as
                            hard as can be but I never left a skid mark
                            on the asphalt road.  I know ABS is supposed
                            to find the maximum traction when braking
                            but as hard as I was on the brake pedal I
                            don’t quite understand why is didn’t leave a
                            mark.</div>
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                            <div>Dean VP</div>
                            <div>Snohomish, WA 98290</div>
                            <div>"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
                              the creed of ignorance, and gospel of
                              envy, its inherent virtue is the equal
                              sharing of misery."</div>
                            <div>..Winston Churchill...</div>
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                                <div><b>From:</b> AT
                                  <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique</a>-<a href="http://tractor.com" target="_blank">trac<wbr>tor.com</a>>
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a><br clear="none">
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 19, 2021
                                  10:27 PM<br clear="none">
                                  <b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email
                                  Discussion Group' <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Off topic -
                                  P/U Accident --- Front Dash Camera
                                  recommendation</div>
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                                <div style="margin-left:23.1pt">Sorry to
                                  change the subject but I have a little
                                  challenge right now. My antique
                                  Tractor puller P/U and I were in a
                                  little fender bender incident recently
                                  which has become very complex since
                                   the other driver gave me all false
                                  data as to who he was, where he lived,
                                  how to contact him  and whether he was
                                  insured or not.  Other than that
                                  things are going well. After about 5
                                  days of online investigation my wife
                                  and I tracked him down and have a
                                  working cell phone number for him. 
                                  I’ve talked to him and we have
                                  exchanged several text messages but I
                                  still don’t know where he lives and
                                  who his insurance company is. I gave
                                  him my insurance company verbally at
                                  the accident but he seems to have
                                  forgotten it and now repeatedly asks
                                  for who the company is. I refuse to
                                  give it to him until I get a valid
                                  insurance company name from him.  All
                                  he will talk about is getting his
                                  truck fixed.  And that the accident
                                  was my fault. To add more stupid stuff
                                  to this whole fiasco he is now
                                  claiming injury which is a crock of
                                  cow dung.  </div>
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                                <div style="margin-left:23.1pt">He
                                  backed out of a blind driveway onto
                                  the road heading in the same direction
                                  as I was.  This was at about 9:45PM
                                  and it was pitch black dark with no
                                  street lights way out in the country. 
                                  I only noticed the reflection of my
                                  headlights off of the side of his
                                  black Dodge Pick Up. No tail lights,
                                  no back up lights, no brake lights, no
                                  running lights, no lights of any sort.
                                  I immediately slammed on the brakes
                                  and started steering and braking to
                                  the right  of his truck which was now
                                  close to being in the right
                                  orientation to head down the road. I
                                  saw the eye of a needle to try to get
                                  between the truck and the trees at the
                                  driveway exit.  Well, I came to a stop
                                  right after brushing the side of his
                                  truck and messing up my left fender. I
                                  got close to threading the needle. 
                                  Could have been a pretty violent
                                  rear-ender otherwise.   But as you
                                  might expect he is now blaming me and
                                  I hit him therefore I am at fault.  I
                                  have no witnesses to prove what
                                  happened.  I’ve informed my insurance
                                  Co and filed a collision report with
                                  the Washington State Patrol.  I’m
                                  pretty sure he is an uninsured driver
                                  which is illegal in our state. In my
                                  investigation tracking him down I have
                                  been told he is involved in illicit
                                   drugs and he DOES have a criminal
                                  record..  So…. Due to this I am
                                  looking for a dash camera to mount on
                                  our vehicles so I don’t have to go
                                  through this situation of not having
                                  proof again. </div>
                                <div style="margin-left:23.1pt">  </div>
                                <div>So I’m looking for Dash Camera
                                  suggestions for my 2003 Ford F250 and
                                  a 2016 Buick L:acrosse.  I usually
                                  don’t buy the fancy stuff I just get
                                  the basics  in a good product that are
                                  needed.    Suggestions would be
                                  appreciated???? I’ve had one
                                  recommended to me and that is a Rove 4
                                  but I know nothing about it yet.</div>
                                <div>  </div>
                                <div>  </div>
                                <div>Dean VP</div>
                                <div>Snohomish, WA 98290</div>
                                <div>"Socialism is a philosophy of
                                  failure, the creed of ignorance, and
                                  gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is
                                  the equal sharing of misery."</div>
                                <div>..Winston Churchill...</div>
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