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<p>I bought one of those little Stihl top handle saws nearly 10
years ago. I love the balance of it. I put the longest bar I
could get on it from Bailey's so I could cut brush in fencerows
without bending down so much. Within 3 hours of using it, the
stop switch quit working. I have to choke it to kill it. Still
the same way 10 years later....<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/7/2021 1:29 AM, Dean VP wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gene,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m jealous. I’m still fighting gas
engines. Your Stepson lives only 5 or so miles from us. He
is just North West Of Monroe, WA actually closer to Monroe
than Snohomish with a Snohomish address. Looks like he is up
on the ridge North and above Evergreen State Fair Grounds
which is the county fairgrounds. I suspect he gets to hear
the Saturday night racing at the fairgrounds really well. We
are 7.5 miles out of Monroe and when the weather is right we
too hear the racing. The area where he lives is just exploding
with new homes since Monroe is within commuting distance of
Seattle and the High Tech East side. IF… one is willing to put
up with the traffic. Monroe is right on the junction of 522
and Hwy 2y which heads over the Cascade Mountain Range to the
Wenatchee area. 522 heads toward Seattle and also intersects
with I405 which heads S into Bellevue. 522 is now mostly a 4
lane road but where it is still only 2 lane it is a traffic
mess for commuters. WA State DOT does not have a clue about
how to build roads that not only meet current needs but maybe
a few years to the future. I’ve lived in this state since
1976 an d I have yet to see a road built or refurbished that
wasn’t overloaded the day it was opened. Ok, I’ll admit we
have seen a huge influx of residents but newcomers are the
ones usually getting the higher paid wages so the tax base
should be going up dramatically. But WA state is fixing the
traffic problems by building a multi-billion dollar
North/South light rail system that nobody rides. It is
pretty obvious they are going to let traffic get so bad that
people will finally give up and ride the light rail. But
those that come in from the East such as those in the Monroe
area are SOL. With house prices and cost of living going so
crazy high here it won’t be long and we will have a net loss
in population. The City Governments have so alienated the
population many want to leave and from what I am picking up on
the street is that many Western WA and Western OR residents
are looking East at states like Idaho and Montana. Several
Eastern Oregon counties are trying to attach themselves to
Idaho and if successful Eastern Washington counties will do
the same. Coastal cities in CA are losing population to states
like Texas, AZ and NV. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We winter in AZ and it reminds me so much
of when we lived in SO CA in the 60’s and 70’s. They know how
to build roads for future needs. Even at commute hours one can
get to work driving 30 miles in less than 30 minutes. Yes
,there are exceptions but they are few and far between.
But…. There is a huge problem staring California, NV and AZ
right in the face. The lack of water. They are already
restricting water usage and it isn’t even summer yet. That is
going to put a real limit on ho many people can move to AZ and
NV. That leaves Texas as the place to escape to. . IMHO, the
movement of people to the Coastal cities on the West Coast is
coming to an end. As a result of idiotic city governments, the
defund police movements and Covid 19, people want out. They
want to move out to where we live in the country or further
East out of the state. . I get phone calls at least once a
week from Relators begging us to put our house on the market.
Have active cash buyers they say. I think it is a bit of BS
but we have lived here for 22 years and it has never been like
this before. It is at best called CRAZY. We are staying here
until we can’t take care of the place any longer. We figure we
have about 5 years left. I will be dead inside of a year if I
have move back in the city. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I almost bought a Battery powered chain saw
a couple years ago but I bought a Smaller/Lighter Stihl which
is 2 cycle and I really like it. It has started easily and
I’ve worked its butt off. More than I even envisioned when I
bought it. I had a bigger Stihl which I had owned since 1976
but is finally gave up a couple years ago. Coil went bad and
they are made out of unobtanium. Darn thing only gave me 40
plus years of service. They don’t make things like they used
to. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the
creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is
the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Kenneth Gene Waugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece
of cake..... Wrong<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Dean,
THANK YOU!! I have never gotten as involved as most on
this list, and my experience with carburetors is pretty
dismal. Not total failure, but dismal! And my 2 cycle
experience is really, really dismal! Over the past
couple years I have gotten rid of ALL 2 cycle equipment!
:-)!! I have replaced trimmer, blower and a couple other
functions with EGO battery powered equipment. Been very
pleased.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I have a stepson who lives with his wife on 126th St SE
there in Snohomish---nice area!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Gene
Waugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Elgin,
IL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:38 PM Dean VP
<<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You ATIS members need a good laugh once
in a while. This should help provide that at my expense.
,<br>
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One of my Grandsons just purchased his first house which
has a small grass lawn with it. Small enough lawn a
self-propelled 20 - 22" push mower would be just fine.
Since he is moving out of an apartment he would need to
buy a mower. I volunteered to give him one of mine that
I have out in the barn that haven't been run for a while.
Don't even remember now when or where I got this one, it
was probably cheap at some garage sale or auction and is a
Toro Model 20216. Probably 20" to 22" (haven't measured)
deck with a 4HP Briggs motor and it can be self-propelled
with 3 forward gears .Everything worked fine on it when I
used it last probably several years ago (ran when parked)
and my only two complaints about it were the 4HP made it
underpowered and the aluminum deck was pretty brittle and
has been welded once. I have been blessed with a wealth of
rocks on my yard. I noticed the deck now has a couple
more cracks but the mower is useable as is all I have to
do is get it running. <br>
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I cleaned everything up, cleaned the spark plug, changed
oil and put in new gas. I don't have a manual for the
mower and the only way I could figure out how to get the
old oil out was to either pump it out or lay it on its
side and drain it out the fill tube. . Very dumb and very
owner unfriendly. . Anyway tried to start it. Not even
a pop. Choke full on. Tried ether. Yep, I could get it
to run for a second or two but obviously not getting gas
to the cylinder. Check gas line, check bowl, yep getting
gas to the carburetor. Sum Ting Wong with the carburetor.<br>
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Now mistakenly I think I know what I'm doing relative to
carburetors with several successful Antique Tractor and
Garden Tractor carburetor rebuilds under my belt but it
has been a long time since I have worked on a Lawn Mower
Carburetor. But needing to be humbled a bit I guess I
have forgotten a key detail about Briggs carburetor's. I
pulled the carb, removed the bowl and found a sandy white
substance (dirt?) in the bowl and also in the needle and
seat well. Not typical of what I have seen in carbs in
the past. But continue to disassemble removing the float
and needle. Don't see a removable seat and disassemble the
rest of the carb. Run small wires through any opening I
can find and make sure they are clean and blow air through
any passage I can find. One thing that happened worried
me. I had the air hose nozzle on the gas intake pipe and a
little pop occurred and something hit me in the face. My
observation was that it had come out of the bottom where
the needle seats.. Hmmmm .............must have been
plugged right there. <span style="font-family:"Segoe
UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> Couldn't find what
came out. I bet the carburetor will work now. Operator
now in full idiot mode!<span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> <br>
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Moving on, soaked the carburetor in Pine Sol overnight and
this morning cleaned it with fresh water. Carburetor
looks like new. Man.... I am really good. Hmm, the
bowl gasket has expanded in diameter in the pine sol. That
is not good. But start reassembling the carburetor and put
the float and needle in place and it is obvious the
needle is dropping too far down and not seating properly.
Aha, that is what must have blown out and hit me in the
face. Hummmmm how do you blow out a brass seat? Now I'm
confused. Get on the internet and watch a video of an
overhaul of this type of lawn mower carburetor. Gets to
the part about removing the needle and seat. " An easy way
to get the little rubber needle seat out is to blow air
into the gas inlet of the carburetor" Been there, done
that. Yep, I can completely verify that works very well
but I didn't know it when I did it. @#$%^&*() Now I
sure as hell know what hit me in the face. I can't find
that little sucker. So... $9 gets me a carburetor
overhaul kit over night from Amazon. Needed a new bowl
gasket too. Isn't it amazing how the problem and solution
can hit you right in the face???<br>
<br>
In searching for the right carburetor kit I noticed I
could buy a whole new carburetor for $10.49. But I have
been down that road before and I was not pleased with what
I received. So I'm staying with the OEM Carburetor. One
day delivery on the parts.<br>
<br>
BTW, I'm not very sure this mower is even worth the $9
carburetor repair kit. But.... I am going to beat this
sucker into submission. This is the way us old folks turn
one hour jobs into a full day's entertainment.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dean V<br>
Snohomish, WA 98290<br>
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
equal sharing of misery."<br>
..Winston Churchill...<br>
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