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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Spencer,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber is cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck project. That just plain dumfounds me.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> AT <at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Yost<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I have small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use one. Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would have to haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport. So I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good enough shape to be worth the effort to transport.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space. (-: I could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed. The lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Spencer<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson <<a href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Herb & all: <o:p></o:p></p><p>I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I was growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO. The 'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might* have had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the 620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would have had enough power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty. My dad said this of the original AC roto baler design: "I never baled with it without something breaking during the day. But I also never failed to finish baling what we had raked and ready." Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates that held the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll a bale" position had some wear, and would occasionally release without being tripped - either while we were running twine, or even before that. I always thought of it as the baler "throwing up" on us.<o:p></o:p></p><p>If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the hay back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-). <o:p></o:p></p><p>For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that there was a later version, never produced or built only in small quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine feed was running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Mark J<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis Chalmers. Built to power the AC roto baler. The hand clutch stopped forward travel and left he PTO running. I really liked running my old WD, just hated the seat. I still have kinks in my back from it...<br>Cecil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up on this by sharing their knowledge of history of these two PTO systems. Herb(GA) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"><deanvp@att.net></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Herb,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO arrive and what tractor Manufacturer provided it. I do believe there is a distinction needed to be made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for the purists<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> AT <a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>HERBERT METZ<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> [AT] history of PTO's on tractors<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>When did PTO's first appear on tractors? I assume sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements that PTO's appeared on? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four foot tiller behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is a nice way to till our large vegetable garden. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Herb(GA)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AT mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AT mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>