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<p>Dontcha' just love it when a plan comes together?</p>
<p>Phil in TX<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/19/2021 5:08 PM, Dean Vinson
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">My string of relative good fortune
continued this afternoon, as the broken stud came out with
only a modest fight. I’d been hitting it with penetrating
fluid periodically, then today added a few cycles of heating
followed by spraying with more penetrating oil. Then I used
the progressive hole method, with normal right-twist bits
since I hadn’t found any reverse twist bits at a price I
wanted to pay.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I thought I’d done a good job of
centering the drill bit, but as the bit sizes got larger I
could see I was a little low so I stopped at 5/16”. (The
stud is 7/16). It had broken with just a little bit sticking
out clear of the side of the engine, so I grabbed it with vice
grips and very cautiously tried to back it out… expecting that
little end, now hollowed out, to break right off leaving the
rest stuck inside the hole. But out it all came. I chased
the threads with a tap just to make sure, put in a new stud,
then put everything back together.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">In addition to this latest exhaust-leak
issue, I’d been aware for a year or two that the exhaust pipe
threads and/or manifold threads were rusted and goobered up,
making it impossible to get the exhaust pipe to really seat
securely in the manifold. So the tractor now has a new
manifold, exhaust pipe, and gaskets, to go with the new
muffler I’d put on last year. Nice to have it running and
sounding good again.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> On Behalf Of
Cecil Bearden<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:45 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own / Super
M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I have had a lot of good luck with
reverse twist drills and using the progressive hole method.
When you get the inside cut out and the pressure relieved,
many times the threads will come out.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Cecil <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 5/2/2021 8:20 AM, Dean Vinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks, Dean, your suggestion about the
cape chisel sounds good. I’ll have a go at removing the
broken stud in a week or two, after the replacement parts
arrive. And you betcha about being grateful for the five.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a> On Behalf Of Dean
VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Saturday, May 1, 2021 3:17 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group' <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own / Super
M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I think you need to be very grateful
that you have 5 out w/o a problem. In fact you need to go to a
casino and bet heavily. Getting out the twisted off stud can
be a challenge. First of all forget using “Easy Outs” in this
situation. They are better known as “Never Outs”. It appears
to me that the stud broke off even with the surface of the
head so I won’t make any comments about welding on a nut or
using a pipe wrench. Your only choice is to drill a hole
into the center of the remaining stud and drill a
progressively larger hole until you reach the threads of the
head. Then you can try a couple things. One is you can melt
out the remaining part of the stud using an acetylene torch.
Remember Cast Iron melts at a higher temperature that the stud
material. Or one trick that I have used successfully multiple
times and that is to use a “cape” chisel and slide it between
the threads of the stud and the head in two to three places.
Use as small of a cape chisel as you can get by with to
minimize thread damage. What is a cape chisel? Think of a
nail punch that has been ground off right at the tip at a very
sharp angle. Be careful to not ruin the temper. Then drive
that edge into the slot where the two threads meet. It will
peel and separate the two threads apart. Repeat this step a
couple more times around the stud and the remaining threads
should pop out. If they don’t, the torch will aid in loosening
them up. Try not to use the cape chisel any more than
necessary to avoid ruining very much of the threads. Ruining
SOME of the threads is not a problem. Clean up the threads in
the hole with a repair tap or bottom tap. Using as taper tap
first before the bottom tap sometimes helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This whole job requires a lot of
patience and make sure there are no children or women around.
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> On Behalf
Of Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Saturday, May 1, 2021 8:15 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own / Super
M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Phil, finally time for a followup.
Per your advice below I’ve been hitting the manifold nuts
with PB Blaster every couple of weeks, and finally went out to
put a wrench on them today. First four came right off, easy
and clean, and I was thinking “Sweet, I’m golden.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">#5 backed the stud out rather than
loosen the nut, and then #6 left me the little souvenir shown
in the attached photo. Looks like this particular Saturday
isn’t going to be the one where I finish this job. ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> On Behalf
Of Phil Auten<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:17 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own / Super
M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Well, Dean, while the tractor is
sitting, let those nuts and bolts soak with PB Blaster, Kroil
or your favorite penetrant. They will be a lot happier to come
loose without breaking then. Have fun with it and remember, as
George Willer once told me, "Time is your friend".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Phil in TX<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 1/31/2021 5:42 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Hmmm, good point about “straightforward”
being a problematic concept, gents. I’ll likely let it sit
for a couple more weeks while I ponder it. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a> On Behalf Of Mike
M<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 2:32 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] [External] Re: One of
our own / Super M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean, can't that spot be brazed to seal
it? Nothing is as straight forward when removing 70 year old
nuts. I'd be inclined to spray them with PB Blaster or
something like it for a week or so before trying it. Wouldn't
hurt to get them cherry red a few times as well. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Mike M <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 1/31/2021 12:36 PM, Gunnells, Brad R
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><quote>Seems like it'd be pretty
straightforward.....</quote><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean, that right there may have been
what takes it from a fairly quick and easy job to one of
rusted and broken studs to create all kinds of inventive new
language. Hahaha<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Just kidding. Hopefully everything comes
apart easily. If It's like my WD45 it shouldn't be too bad
unless you run into issues with studs (which I did).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Congrats on the picture!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Brad<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a> on behalf of Dean
Vinson <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net">mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:23 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group' <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [External] Re: [AT] One of our
own / Super M exhaust leak <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks, gentlemen! That same tractor,
sitting in that same spot, now needs some attention to fix an
exhaust leak. I went to use the tractor a few Saturdays ago,
and right after firing it up noticed this regular tapping
sound. For some time now I've been noticing the exhaust pipe
won't stay securely seated in the manifold and I have to
tighten it up now and then, and every time I do so I worry the
top of the manifold will crack apart, so I suspected it had
finally cracked. I walked around and took a little video,
but didn't want to really get into it right then so I shut the
tractor down and used another one (the Ford 3600) instead. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Yesterday I did a little more
investigation, and found at least one spot where the exhaust
manifold gasket is bad. A few video clips:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/gAZ9FwxrC34">https://youtu.be/gAZ9FwxrC34</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/hHfx1c5Hu4s">https://youtu.be/hHfx1c5Hu4s</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/v0qLG8xuPYM">https://youtu.be/v0qLG8xuPYM</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I'm inclined to go ahead and replace the
manifold, since I've been worrying about it anyway, and at
minimum I have to replace the gasket. Seems like it'd be
pretty straightforward, just get the air intake pipe out of
the way, unbolt the old manifold, replace the gasket, and put
everything back together? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a> On Behalf Of Mike
M<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:13 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Congratulations Dean very nice picture.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On 1/30/2021 8:31 PM, Milo Holroyd
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Congratulations! Dean Vinson!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mailchi.mp/21b62a015548/featured-tractor-photo-january?e=cfec74a33e">https://mailchi.mp/21b62a015548/featured-tractor-photo-january?e=cfec74a33e</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Milo<o:p></o:p></p>
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