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<p>I have had a lot of good luck with reverse twist drills and using
the progressive hole method. When you get the inside cut out and
the pressure relieved, many times the threads will come out.<br>
Cecil <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2021 8:20 AM, Dean Vinson wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Dean, your suggestion about the
cape chisel sounds good. I’ll have a go at removing the
broken stud in a week or two, after the replacement parts
arrive. And you betcha about being grateful for the five.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Dean VP<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 1, 2021 3:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] One of our own / Super M exhaust
leak<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you need to be very grateful that
you have 5 out w/o a problem. In fact you need to go to a
casino and bet heavily. Getting out the twisted off stud can
be a challenge. First of all forget using “Easy Outs” in this
situation. They are better known as “Never Outs”. It appears
to me that the stud broke off even with the surface of the
head so I won’t make any comments about welding on a nut or
using a pipe wrench. Your only choice is to drill a hole
into the center of the remaining stud and drill a
progressively larger hole until you reach the threads of the
head. Then you can try a couple things. One is you can melt
out the remaining part of the stud using an acetylene torch.
Remember Cast Iron melts at a higher temperature that the stud
material. Or one trick that I have used successfully multiple
times and that is to use a “cape” chisel and slide it between
the threads of the stud and the head in two to three places.
Use as small of a cape chisel as you can get by with to
minimize thread damage. What is a cape chisel? Think of a
nail punch that has been ground off right at the tip at a very
sharp angle. Be careful to not ruin the temper. Then drive
that edge into the slot where the two threads meet. It will
peel and separate the two threads apart. Repeat this step a
couple more times around the stud and the remaining threads
should pop out. If they don’t, the torch will aid in loosening
them up. Try not to use the cape chisel any more than
necessary to avoid ruining very much of the threads. Ruining
SOME of the threads is not a problem. Clean up the threads in
the hole with a repair tap or bottom tap. Using as taper tap
first before the bottom tap sometimes helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This whole job requires a lot of patience
and make sure there are no children or women around. <span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean Vinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 1, 2021 8:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <<a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] One of our own / Super M exhaust
leak<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phil, finally time for a followup. Per
your advice below I’ve been hitting the manifold nuts with PB
Blaster every couple of weeks, and finally went out to put a
wrench on them today. First four came right off, easy and
clean, and I was thinking “Sweet, I’m golden.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">#5 backed the stud out rather than loosen
the nut, and then #6 left me the little souvenir shown in the
attached photo. Looks like this particular Saturday isn’t
going to be the one where I finish this job. ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Auten<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] One of our own / Super M exhaust
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<p>Well, Dean, while the tractor is sitting, let those nuts and
bolts soak with PB Blaster, Kroil or your favorite penetrant.
They will be a lot happier to come loose without breaking
then. Have fun with it and remember, as George Willer once
told me, "Time is your friend".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Phil in TX<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/31/2021 5:42 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmmm, good point about “straightforward”
being a problematic concept, gents. I’ll likely let it sit
for a couple more weeks while I ponder it. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Saint Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 31, 2021 2:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] [External] Re: One of our own /
Super M exhaust leak<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dean, can't
that spot be brazed to seal it? Nothing is as straight
forward when removing 70 year old nuts. I'd be inclined to
spray them with PB Blaster or something like it for a week
or so before trying it. Wouldn't hurt to get them cherry red
a few times as well. <br>
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Mike M <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/31/2021 12:36 PM, Gunnells, Brad R
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><quote></span><span
style="color:black">Seems like it'd be pretty
straightforward</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">.....</quote></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dean, that right
there may have been what takes it from a fairly quick
and easy job to one of rusted and broken studs to
create all kinds of inventive new language. Hahaha</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Just kidding.
Hopefully everything comes apart easily. If It's like
my WD45 it shouldn't be too bad unless you run into
issues with studs (which I did).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Congrats on the
picture!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Brad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black"> AT <a
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on behalf of Dean Vinson <a
href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><dean@vinsonfarm.net></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <a
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Super M exhaust leak</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Thanks,
gentlemen! That same tractor, sitting in that same
spot, now needs some attention to fix an exhaust
leak. I went to use the tractor a few Saturdays ago,
and right after firing it up noticed this regular
tapping sound. For some time now I've been noticing
the exhaust pipe won't stay securely seated in the
manifold and I have to tighten it up now and then, and
every time I do so I worry the top of the manifold
will crack apart, so I suspected it had finally
cracked. I walked around and took a little video,
but didn't want to really get into it right then so I
shut the tractor down and used another one (the Ford
3600) instead. <br>
<br>
Yesterday I did a little more investigation, and found
at least one spot where the exhaust manifold gasket is
bad. A few video clips:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/gAZ9FwxrC34"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/gAZ9FwxrC34</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/hHfx1c5Hu4s"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/hHfx1c5Hu4s</a><br>
<a href="https://youtu.be/v0qLG8xuPYM"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://youtu.be/v0qLG8xuPYM</a><br>
<br>
I'm inclined to go ahead and replace the manifold,
since I've been worrying about it anyway, and at
minimum I have to replace the gasket. Seems like
it'd be pretty straightforward, just get the air
intake pipe out of the way, unbolt the old manifold,
replace the gasket, and put everything back together?
<br>
<br>
Dean Vinson<br>
Saint Paris, Ohio<br>
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On Behalf Of Mike M<br>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:13 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [AT] One of our own<br>
<br>
Congratulations Dean very nice picture.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<br>
On 1/30/2021 8:31 PM, Milo Holroyd wrote:<br>
> Congratulations! Dean Vinson!<br>
><br>
> <a
href="https://mailchi.mp/21b62a015548/featured-tractor-photo-january?e=cfec74a33e"
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> Milo<o:p></o:p></p>
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