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<font size="+2">Being some what a coward (and wanting value for
cost) I use Linux which costs <i>no</i> $$$ and offers <i>fewer</i>
heartaches.</font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">Just
tried to do an in-place upgrade from
Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10 Pro 20H2 on my friend’s Dell
Inspiron laptop.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">After
the upgrade, the laptop screen is
black and cannot be made to work. The laptop works on an
external
monitor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">I
just tried to upgrade a Dell Optiplex
workstation running Windows 10 2004 to Windows 10 20H2.
This also
failed. I’ve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">never
had a Windows 10 version upgrade fail
and neither has my brother who has his own IT company.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">That
is why before I do anything like this,
I do an image of the system using Active@ Disk Image.
That way, if I have
a failure<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">for
whatever reason, I can restore the
system to what it was before. It’s better to be safe than
sorry. Of course I could have<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">done
a fresh installation of Windows 7 on
the laptop and Windows 10 2004 on the desktop workstation,
but all of the
programs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">and
files would have been lost. If
the system is not running, you can’t roll it back to the
previous version
of Windows.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">I
always assume that if anything can go
wrong, it has a good chance of doing it. It’s too late to
close the
barn door after the horse is out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"
color="blue"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">William<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Tahoma"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> AT
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Mogrits<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, February 18, 2021
9:21 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Antique
Tractor Email
Discussion Group<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [AT] OT-Windows 10</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">No worries Mike, just "let it rip". If it offers
you a chance
to save a restore point back to whatever version you
have now let it do that
but as I recall the Windows 10 upgrade automatically
saves that restore point.
Once you have it installed and it boots up reliably, run
that open shell file
and I think you will be well pleased.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">Unrelated to the open shell interface, Windows
10 will want to
download and install new drivers for whatever hardware
you have. At this
point you should have no worries since 10 has been
around so long. But it could
take Windows a week of intermittent updates to get all
these done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 4:39 PM Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">OK, so last night I
downloaded windows 10, I have not installed it yet.
Is there anything I should
know or do before hitting the install button. I've
already downloaded Open
Shell, I'm just not sure what to expect, when I
click the button. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On 2/16/2021 9:27 PM, William Parris
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue">Classic Shell has been abandoned and
is not being developed.
It has been taken over by others and is now
called Open Shell. This is
based on the original Classic Shell.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="blue"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue">You definitely want to install Open
Shell and tweak it to the
Windows start menu style you like best. It is
much easier than using the
native Windows 10 start menu. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
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style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue">William</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> AT [<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Mogrits<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, February 16, 2021
8:04 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [AT] OT-Windows 10</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">I second Dan
Glass' comment. BEFORE installing Windows 10
download to the desktop the free
add-on "Windows Classicshell" by searching
those keywords. Get the
latest version you can find. I say
download before because I found it very
difficult to navigate in Windows 10 to the
point I had trouble even opening a
browser window. I said download to the desktop
so you can actually find it
under Windows 10.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font
size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">After the Windows
10 is installed then run the classic shell
install file you downloaded. Once
it's installed you can set classic shell to
run just like any version back to
Windows XP. I think the simplest way is to
open classic shell and select the
"Start Menu" Tab. You can customize it a lot
but it's not necessary
to do so. Just set it back to the version
you liked and it's business as usual.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Warren<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Feb 16,
2021 at 8:54 AM Dan Glass <<a
href="mailto:danglass@usa.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">danglass@usa.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Download
Classic Shell and it makes Windows 10
look and act like Windows 7. I have
used it since Window 10 came out with
no problems. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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February 16, 2021 at
2:39 AM<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> "Mike
M" <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>><br>
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<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [AT]
OT-Windows 10</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Has
anyone here been able to
download windows 10, and have it
act like<br>
windows 7? I love my windows 7,
but it its not compatible with
the<br>
current tax preparation software
Turbo-tax.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
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