<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I’ll jump in here since cybersecurity is what I do for a living and browser “hacking” and penetration testing is part of what my department does.</div><div><br></div><div>Firefox and Brave are neck and neck in the race as to who does the most to protect privacy. Firefox’s security features are more customizable and therefore continues to get our recommendation.  Plus as  others have mentioned here FIreFox’s UI/UX is a known quantity and everyone is used to and comfortable with FF. But Brave is very good and certainly a great option. </div><div><br></div><div>If you’re really serious about all aspects of security the TOR browser is the only way to go but it’s overkill for virtually everyone in my humble opinion.</div><div><br></div><div>And just to prove all this is not so black-and-white, d<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">evices play a role too.   T</span>he browser that protects both your overall security and privacy best when using Apple equipment  such as a MacBook, is good old Safari.  Android and Apple devices “sandbox” apps so then any browser becomes more secure simply because of the device.  Then you run it on Windows and suddenly it becomes less secure :-)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox">https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app_sandbox">https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app_sandbox</a></div><div><br></div><div>All things being equal Firefox or Brave for privacy or Safari on Apple stuff.  Google Chrome and anything built on Google’s chromium engine such Microsoft Edge is a distant second.</div><div><br></div><div>Spencer </div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 29, 2021, at 10:00 AM, cgs <oxygenfarm@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/29/21 9:54 AM, Stephen Offiler
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I was a Chrome user for years, and heard about
        Brave maybe 6 months ago.  I decided to give it a try, and I've
        been running it at work ever since.  I was surprised how similar
        Brave is to Chrome.  One difference is the little lion symbol in
        the upper right.  That is the "shield" control. It is working to
        block malicious sites, and sometimes goes overboard a bit, so
        you can hit that symbol and change the controls for the site in
        question.  
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        <div>At home I run Firefox under Linux Mint, whatever version
          you get when you do the Linux install.  Checked this morning
          and discovered it's 85.  I understand MikeM's complaint is
          that the upgrade from 84 caused him to lose all of his
          customization.  Aside from that serious issue, Firefox 85
          seems fine to me.
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          <div>SO</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:08
          AM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div> Thanks Mogrits,<br>
            I was able to get Firefox to work again by completely
            deleting it. It picked up my original profile by default on
            the reinstall. I still have Brave installed on my computer
            and will continue to play with it, I'm concerned that
            Firefox has gotten to big for their britches.<br>
            <br>
            Best Regards,<br>
            Mike M <br>
            <br>
            <div>On 1/29/2021 1:31 AM, Mogrits wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Mike you seemed to have privacy concerns
                earlier. I'd recommend you try to get used to Brave. I
                haven't had any adjustment issues with Brave. It's a
                little bit different concept but it works great. Every
                once in a while you'll run into a site that won't load
                because of what it blocks but I don't see that as a
                negative.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 28, 2021
                  at 2:24 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div> Hi Phil, I tried Brave, like Mogrits suggested,
                    but just didn't care for how it worked. I'm just too
                    set in my ways. Tried Chrome, and although it's
                    different than Firefox, the learning curve is
                    shorter, and it still allowed me to us my add
                    blocking extensions. I'll be using that for the
                    foreseeable future. Avoid Firefox 85 like the
                    plague. <br>
                    <br>
                    Regards,<br>
                    Mike M<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div>On 1/28/2021 11:05 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br>
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                      <p>Mike, Thanks for the heads up on the Firefox
                        update. I will second the recommendation on
                        DuckDuckGo as the search engine, helps out a
                        bunch on blocking ads and pop up windows too.</p>
                      <p>Phil in TX<br>
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                      <div>On 1/27/2021 11:53 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite"> Thanks, I'll give it a
                        shot, I had FF working like a well oiled machine
                        until the update, that's what irritates me. <br>
                        <br>
                        Regards,<br>
                        Mike M<br>
                        <br>
                        <div>On 1/28/2021 12:23 AM, Mogrits wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Download Brave Browser and set
                            DuckDuckGo as your search engine, since you
                            are starting from scratch you have nothing
                            to lose. I think you will love it.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue,
                              Jan 26, 2021 at 10:19 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                              <div> Unfortunately it's not, so i guess I
                                start from ground zero.<br>
                                <br>
                                Mike M<br>
                                <br>
                                <div>On 1/26/2021 8:42 PM, Howard
                                  Pletcher wrote:<br>
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                                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">If
                                      you did a Delete to get rid of the
                                      new version, it may be in your
                                      recycle bin.</div>
                                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">If
                                      you did an Uninstall, then
                                      probably not.</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Howard</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 8:18 PM Mike
                                      M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                      <div> 85Hi Guys, Ok after getting
                                        my old profile back I didn't
                                        like Firefox 85 at all with all
                                        the tiles and what not, it
                                        looked like Windows 10. So I
                                        foolishly deleted Firefox 85 and
                                        was hoping to download 84, which
                                        I was happy with. I then
                                        realized I had NO browser. After
                                        dredging up and old computer I
                                        was able to download a copy of
                                        Firefox to a memory card and get
                                        a browser back on my computer.
                                        Now however it seems that none
                                        of the profiles contain all my
                                        bookmarks and passwords. Like I
                                        said before there is a file on
                                        my desktop that is called "old
                                        firefox data" is there a way i
                                        can create a new profile to
                                        restore my bookmarks and
                                        passwords from that?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Thanks, Mike<br>
                                         <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>On 1/26/2021 5:53 PM,
                                          Stuart Harner wrote:<br>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">No,
                                                that is just Firefox
                                                just trying to collect
                                                all your data on their
                                                servers just like
                                                Microsoft and Google.
                                                There is money in data.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">They
                                                claim it is to make
                                                things easier for the
                                                user. But I DON’T want
                                                all my various computers
                                                to have the same
                                                profile! There are
                                                separate computers for a
                                                reason and a single
                                                profile is not one of
                                                them.</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">FF
                                                is nice but it is
                                                getting more big brother
                                                with each “upgrade”. </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">YMMV</span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> AT [<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
                                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
                                                Knierim<br>
                                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                                January 26, 2021 4:11 PM<br>
                                                <b>To:</b> Antique
                                                Tractor Email Discussion
                                                Group<br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT]
                                                OT - Firefox problems</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Mike,</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">   
                                                  I'm running the new
                                                  version (84 or 85) of
                                                  Firefox... speed is a
                                                  LOT better on the new
                                                  one (matching or
                                                  exceeding Chrome on
                                                  several benchmarks
                                                  with far better
                                                  security) but it's got
                                                  some quirks. They are
                                                  pushing into using the
                                                  firefox accounts where
                                                  you log into firefox;
                                                  when I did this I
                                                  ended up with my
                                                  bookmarks showing up
                                                  from my home computer
                                                  (Linux Centos 7) and
                                                  my work computer
                                                  (Winders 10) all added
                                                  together. I'm not sure
                                                  how it's supposed to
                                                  work but that's what I
                                                  ended up with. This
                                                  MAY help, but it could
                                                  have also been a
                                                  Microsoft update
                                                  (meaning MS blew some
                                                  things away for
                                                  "security reasons").</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hope
                                                  this helps</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Ken</p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at
                                                  2:44 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">OK,
                                                  sorry for the off
                                                  topic post, but I have
                                                  a real problem. My
                                                  computer<br>
                                                  updated to Firefox 85
                                                  last night, and now
                                                  ALL my bookmarks are
                                                  gone,<br>
                                                  should I just delete
                                                  85 and reinstall an
                                                  older version. There
                                                  is a new<br>
                                                  new folder on my
                                                  desktop called old
                                                  Firefox data.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Thanks,<br>
                                                  Mike M<br>
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