<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I’ll jump in here since cybersecurity is what I do for a living and browser “hacking” and penetration testing is part of what my department does.</div><div><br></div><div>Firefox and Brave are neck and neck in the race as to who does the most to protect privacy. Firefox’s security features are more customizable and therefore continues to get our recommendation. Plus as others have mentioned here FIreFox’s UI/UX is a known quantity and everyone is used to and comfortable with FF. But Brave is very good and certainly a great option. </div><div><br></div><div>If you’re really serious about all aspects of security the TOR browser is the only way to go but it’s overkill for virtually everyone in my humble opinion.</div><div><br></div><div>And just to prove all this is not so black-and-white, d<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">evices play a role too. T</span>he browser that protects both your overall security and privacy best when using Apple equipment such as a MacBook, is good old Safari. Android and Apple devices “sandbox” apps so then any browser becomes more secure simply because of the device. Then you run it on Windows and suddenly it becomes less secure :-)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox">https://source.android.com/security/app-sandbox</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app_sandbox">https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/app_sandbox</a></div><div><br></div><div>All things being equal Firefox or Brave for privacy or Safari on Apple stuff. Google Chrome and anything built on Google’s chromium engine such Microsoft Edge is a distant second.</div><div><br></div><div>Spencer </div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 29, 2021, at 10:00 AM, cgs <oxygenfarm@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<font size="+2">Linux Mint Mate 19.3, constantly updated, with FF85.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/29/21 9:54 AM, Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">I was a Chrome user for years, and heard about
Brave maybe 6 months ago. I decided to give it a try, and I've
been running it at work ever since. I was surprised how similar
Brave is to Chrome. One difference is the little lion symbol in
the upper right. That is the "shield" control. It is working to
block malicious sites, and sometimes goes overboard a bit, so
you can hit that symbol and change the controls for the site in
question.
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<div>At home I run Firefox under Linux Mint, whatever version
you get when you do the Linux install. Checked this morning
and discovered it's 85. I understand MikeM's complaint is
that the upgrade from 84 caused him to lose all of his
customization. Aside from that serious issue, Firefox 85
seems fine to me.
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<div>SO</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:08
AM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div> Thanks Mogrits,<br>
I was able to get Firefox to work again by completely
deleting it. It picked up my original profile by default on
the reinstall. I still have Brave installed on my computer
and will continue to play with it, I'm concerned that
Firefox has gotten to big for their britches.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Mike M <br>
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<div>On 1/29/2021 1:31 AM, Mogrits wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mike you seemed to have privacy concerns
earlier. I'd recommend you try to get used to Brave. I
haven't had any adjustment issues with Brave. It's a
little bit different concept but it works great. Every
once in a while you'll run into a site that won't load
because of what it blocks but I don't see that as a
negative.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 28, 2021
at 2:24 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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<div> Hi Phil, I tried Brave, like Mogrits suggested,
but just didn't care for how it worked. I'm just too
set in my ways. Tried Chrome, and although it's
different than Firefox, the learning curve is
shorter, and it still allowed me to us my add
blocking extensions. I'll be using that for the
foreseeable future. Avoid Firefox 85 like the
plague. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
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<p>Mike, Thanks for the heads up on the Firefox
update. I will second the recommendation on
DuckDuckGo as the search engine, helps out a
bunch on blocking ads and pop up windows too.</p>
<p>Phil in TX<br>
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<div>On 1/27/2021 11:53 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Thanks, I'll give it a
shot, I had FF working like a well oiled machine
until the update, that's what irritates me. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Download Brave Browser and set
DuckDuckGo as your search engine, since you
are starting from scratch you have nothing
to lose. I think you will love it.</div>
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Jan 26, 2021 at 10:19 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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<div> Unfortunately it's not, so i guess I
start from ground zero.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div>On 1/26/2021 8:42 PM, Howard
Pletcher wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">If
you did a Delete to get rid of the
new version, it may be in your
recycle bin.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">If
you did an Uninstall, then
probably not.</div>
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<div> 85Hi Guys, Ok after getting
my old profile back I didn't
like Firefox 85 at all with all
the tiles and what not, it
looked like Windows 10. So I
foolishly deleted Firefox 85 and
was hoping to download 84, which
I was happy with. I then
realized I had NO browser. After
dredging up and old computer I
was able to download a copy of
Firefox to a memory card and get
a browser back on my computer.
Now however it seems that none
of the profiles contain all my
bookmarks and passwords. Like I
said before there is a file on
my desktop that is called "old
firefox data" is there a way i
can create a new profile to
restore my bookmarks and
passwords from that?<br>
<br>
Thanks, Mike<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/26/2021 5:53 PM,
Stuart Harner wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">No,
that is just Firefox
just trying to collect
all your data on their
servers just like
Microsoft and Google.
There is money in data.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">They
claim it is to make
things easier for the
user. But I DON’T want
all my various computers
to have the same
profile! There are
separate computers for a
reason and a single
profile is not one of
them.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">FF
is nice but it is
getting more big brother
with each “upgrade”. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">YMMV</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> AT [<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
Knierim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mike,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">
I'm running the new
version (84 or 85) of
Firefox... speed is a
LOT better on the new
one (matching or
exceeding Chrome on
several benchmarks
with far better
security) but it's got
some quirks. They are
pushing into using the
firefox accounts where
you log into firefox;
when I did this I
ended up with my
bookmarks showing up
from my home computer
(Linux Centos 7) and
my work computer
(Winders 10) all added
together. I'm not sure
how it's supposed to
work but that's what I
ended up with. This
MAY help, but it could
have also been a
Microsoft update
(meaning MS blew some
things away for
"security reasons").</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope
this helps</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at
2:44 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OK,
sorry for the off
topic post, but I have
a real problem. My
computer<br>
updated to Firefox 85
last night, and now
ALL my bookmarks are
gone,<br>
should I just delete
85 and reinstall an
older version. There
is a new<br>
new folder on my
desktop called old
Firefox data.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<br>
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