<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Antique tractor reference: I store my tractors in a shop building with lots of big metal objects and concrete floors that moderate temperature swings in the shop. So the tractor engines never get below freezing except a few times a year when it’s so cold I read books instead of driving tractors. So I use straight 30w. I just don’t work them in temperatures where a multi weight would be helpful. Plus it’s convenient since all my smaller engines use straight 30 too. I use the Rotella 15-40w in my diesel Ford 861<div><br></div><div>Way off topic: I was low on oil one day a LONG time ago and my insert style oil spout for oil cans must have been “forever borrowed“ or lost or driven over or whatever. Can’t remember. So on the way to the local auto parts to get oil I pulled off at the surplus/junk store for the spout. So then on to the auto parts store.<div><br></div><div>When I got there I was met with: plastic bottles. (-; </div><div><br></div><div>I still have that spout on top of one of the small cabinets I use for nuts/bolts/etc. It remains unused with its surplus store price tag. A whole 99 cents.</div><div><br></div><div>To tell you how poor i was it or how long ago (or both) this was, I probably saved a whole dollar buying the spout at the surplus store instead of the auto parts store. And that whole dollar was worth the extra stop.</div><div><br></div><div>In full disclosure, I am not sure if it’s was just my brand (was always a Pennzoil guy) or all the oil brands had been switched out to plastic. I kept the spout cause I figured i’d need it but the change to plastic came quick and I never bought a can of oil again.</div><div><br></div><div>I love handing it to young people and asking them what they think it is for. (-; I must admit a surprising percentage do know.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>Spencer</div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 16, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Ken Knierim <ken.knierim@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>More than you'll probably want to know about oils:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/">https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>They have some rather interesting information on different types of oils. They discuss the synthetics made from natural gas (GTL or gas to liquid), and so forth. </div><div><br></div><div>Ken in AZ<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 5:24 PM <<a href="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net">bradloomis@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Anyone remember Raylube? Recycled oil. Used by us unwashed in our beaters that burned as much oil as gas. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Brad<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>James R Showers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Engine oil<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I remember using Amalie in the 60’s. It was high paraffin and my hands would feel slippery even after washing them if I would get the oil on my hands.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">Mike M</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:47 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] Engine oil<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I remember my Dad used to use Wolfshead oil in our lawnmower.<br><br>Mike M<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 8/16/2020 3:51 PM, ustonThomas Mehrkam wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Any one remember Amalie Oil. Better than it has to be. The problem is it was just a smidgen better than bare minimum standards. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">My first car was purchased from my dads boss. He drove 5 miles a day and changed the oil every 3000 miles. It looked great. I started having problems so I pulled the oil pan. There must have been 10 lbs of sludge. I pulled the engine apart and cleaned it up. Put it back together and drive it several years until I was rear ended by a pickup truck. I never used Amalie oil again. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">That is about the time people realized how bad Amalie oil was. I still a couple paper cans of Amalie oil in my shop. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yahoo_quoted_8547013107"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Sunday, August 16, 2020, 1:58:02 PM CDT, Bruce Fallon <a href="mailto:bfallon@whidbey.com" target="_blank"><bfallon@whidbey.com></a> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832"><div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I find the Pennzoil commercials interesting as originally Pennzoil was advertised years ago a made with pure Pennsylvania crude oil then eventually it went to pure Pennsylvania </span><span style="color:red">grade</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> crude oil and now it is made with natural gas. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bruce Fallon</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Langley, WA 98260</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> AT [<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:jdnut@aol.com" target="_blank">jdnut@aol.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Engine oil</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">John, list members, </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">A tangent to this conversation, something I inherited from my father... not sure if it is a superstition or has some validity..??? but I just try to never change the brand of the oil in my autos and tractors. I can remember us buying an used 1950 Buick way back when, my Dad asked what brand of oil was in it, ..Quaker State, and that was what we used, anyway, too bad that your Exxon oil became hard to find. Just curious if any list members also hate to change brands of oil? It doesn't apply here, but for sure I have seen leakage and usage in situations where there was a switch to synthetic oil. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">John in Ferndale</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Hall <a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_blank"><jtchall@nc.rr.com></a><br>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 9:57 am<br>Subject: [AT] Engine oil</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">What this group needs (in my opinion) is a good farm equipment discussion.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Engine Oil--but wait, this isn't your ordinary oil discussion!!! Long </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">story short, I have a fleet of old gas powered working FARM </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">equipment--not talking about lawn equipment. We have always ran big name </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">brand oil. I switched from Exxon Super HDII about 3-4 years ago because </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">it was getting really hard to source. I switched over to Chevron Dello </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">400 (both are 30W). The Dello is formulated for diesels, but supposedly </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">works in older gas engines. I now have 2 engines that drink oil when </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">being worked hard. My Farmall M can drop 2-3 qts in a couple hours of </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">pulling a cultimulcher--yet you don't really notice it smoking. It does </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">foul plugs. That work is a very heavy load. Also I have a 3300 Deere </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">combine that will drop a qt or so every truckload of corn. Now I've only </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">had this combine about 8 years and the oil consumption just started </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">about 3 years ago--I swear some days it is worse than others. I really </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">wonder if its the oil I'm using. I have on hand some CaseIH low-ash oil </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I run in lawnmowers--considering putting it in the combine for this </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">fall. Supposedly the same stuff IH has been selling for 40+ years. The </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">cost is about $3-4 more a quart, so an extra $25 to change oil. For the </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">record, the rest of the gas powered fleet doesn't run hard/long enough </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">to notice a problem. The combine is such a gas hog, can't help but </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">wonder if its a fuel issue causing dilution.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_3603424579039788585ydpa2532d9yiv9680952832msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">What you guys think, worth a shot?</span><span 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