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Pic came through just fine, thanks for the update!<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div>guess I should have supplied it earlier!</div>
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<div>99% sure the source of the noise has been located - see
attached picture (if the list allows them.... been many years
since I participated much)</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help
and interest in helping me find a solution to this
problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable
people on here and I certainly enjoy reading
everything and many times learning things. We
haven't gotten very much further with this due to
some other pressing things, but will. New injectors
made no difference at all. Just today however, the
guys are working on a four cylinder version of this
Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip.
Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring
in the head, see what you all think. If you click on
this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will
get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer
since I retired and just got my laptop back from my
son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted
video to attach to the email was a chore and not
sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Keep us updated Dave, this
has been an interesting and informative thread.<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div dir="auto">By the way, not even sure if
this has the wrong rod, just been guessing
until we can get it in and apart. I wonder
though if there could be residual fuel from
an unfinished burn caused by yet unknown
reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre
combustion chamber which may cause higher
compression or poor atomization. Maybe
Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre
combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the
head, causing an improper mixture, or maybe
even a piston pin bearing we missed. Still
dont know how soon we can get it inside and
apart, as we need to get a place ready.
Don't want it apart outside, and this time
it could be apart a little longer than the
others.
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<div dir="auto">The tractor in NY you are
referring to IS this tractor. That is a
post my son Mike made back when we first
got it. You may recognize him on here as
Mangus.
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<div dir="ltr">A Google search
for <span>kubota M5700 engine
noise </span> turns up a
thread on tractorbytenet about a
tractor in new york with exactly
the same problem. Knock piston
5. You might follow this thread
to see if there was a solution <br>
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<div> On Wednesday, April 8,
2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil
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<p>I think the possibility
of leftover fuel on the
piston might be the
problem. Steve O may
have figured it out. It
has been many years
since I did a
compression analysis.
Old Dog forgets older
tricks thing!!!<br
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Maybe you can get an
application list for the
rod number??<br
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<div>By reducing
compression, would
ignition take place at
the proper time? Would
combustion be
complete, or would
there be leftover fuel
that could change
things on next
compression stroke,
and maybe pre ignite
causing the knock?
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Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM
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<div dir="ltr">I
just worked out
some math. That
engine is 87mm
bore x 92mm
stroke. 23:1
compression.
Swept volume is
.547 liter,
giving combustion
chamber volume of
.0238 liter. Now,
what-if the con
rod was 1mm too
short? That adds
.0059 liter to the
combustion
chamber, now .0297
liter, which drops
compression down
to 18.4:1
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at 7:02 PM Doug
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<p><font
size="+1">The
rod being too
short can't
change
injector
timing or
cause
pre-ignition.
It would just
mean less
compression
because the
piston
wouldn't come
up as far.
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<div>I know
the piston is
correct as we
replaced it.
But James
makes a good
point to
ponder, if the
rod is too
short, it may
change
injector
timing.
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2020, 6:03 PM
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the wrong
Piston ( too
short or tall
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Mon, Apr 6,
2020 at 12:40
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<div>Actually,
did not check
length of
connecting rod
and its
clearance from
head at TDC.
But it's not
traveling to
close to the
head as there
would be
damage
showing. Just
have this new
concern about
the wrong rod
being put in
by mistake,
but that would
have been
short, not
long.
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Mon, Apr 6,
2020, 1:01 PM
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<div> When you
had it apart,
did you check
all the
piston,ring
and bearing
clearances?<br
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<div>On
4/6/2020 11:35
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<div>No
sleeves in
this engine.
Someone had
this engine
apart before
and #5 had a
new piston and
rod and
bearings. The
seller said it
was his
father's
tractor since
new and never
been
apart....he
lied! There
was more RTV
on oil pan
than you could
imagine and
obviously that
piston and rod
and bearings
had been
replaced and I
thought they
had been
chasing the
noise. Unless
there was some
other reason,
but dont
know.
<div> My
friend and
mechanic help
has a Jacobson
mower he's is
rebuilding
that has a 4
cylinder
version of
this motor
that appears
identical
except the
number of
cyl's. He
found the rod
to be the same
except it a
tweak shorter
by an almost
immeasurable
amount, maybe
.005 or .010.
Part number is
almost the
same except
last digit and
now I'm
wondering if
that could be
someone's
mistake. Would
shorter rod
cause
preignition?
By the way,
there is no
part number on
the rods so
they would
have to be
accurately
measured.</div>
<div> It's
going to be a
bit before I
can get this
back apart
again, but
hoping to have
this fixed in
time to plow.</div>
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Mon, Apr 6,
2020, 9:08 AM
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<p>That was
one of my
thoughts, but
my experience
has been that
the liner
movement was a
double "thud"
once on down
stroke and
once on
upstroke. <br
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<div> <font
size="2">Cylinder
liner loose.
Don't know if
this engine
even has
cylinder
liners if it
does and that
liner is
moving you
would get
click. Did you
look carefully
at the head
when you had
it off and
look for any
sign of head
distress?</font></div>
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size="2">I
would do a
compression
check as well.</font></div>
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cracked
injector lines
one at a time,
and it gets
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<div>When you
crack the
others the
engine misses,
but the noise
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if something
about cylinder
5 is somehow
different so
that the
compression is
higher, and so
it’s igniting
(pre-igniting)
too much
before top
dead centre in
just that
cylinder?</div>
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<div>Eg #5
piston
slightly
higher than
the other 4?</div>
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