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<div data-externalstyle="false" dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif';font-size:12pt;"><div>I am sitting on a gold mine. I have cultivators for Farmall A, Farmall H/M, John Deere B, Massey Ferguson 85, any two row three point. Rotary hoes for two row three point and six row three point. Tillage equipment from two row to six row. I knew there was a reason to hang on to all this stuff, just been waiting for the no-till to die and organic to win over.<br></div><div data-signatureblock="true"><div><br></div><div>Aaron Dickinson</div><div>Mason, Mi</div><div><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_parent">Cecil Bearden</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group</a></font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="">
<p>I will not get into a political fight with anyone here, but I
remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and grandfather used it
also. They lived long lives and finally died due to a Dr.
screwup. DDT was determined to make eagle eggs have a thinner
shell when the problem was either genetic or nutritional. It was
a Judge who determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to
be possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified laboratory.
I think both decisions were motivated by greed on the part of the
chemical manufacturer, not comprehensive real laboratory tests.
DDT had been around so long the patents had run out. Same with
Roundup. <br>
</p>
<p>That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them I use
the maximum rate according to label directions. Then, immediately
when I finish I throw the clothes in the washer and wash twice. I
immediately take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I
wash the equipment and afterwards wash my clothes and take a
shower again.. My Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in
the late 60's early 70's with no cab on the tractor. We should
have taken more precautions than we did, but we washed our hands a
lot.....<br>
<br>
You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common
sense....<br>
</p>
<p>Cecil<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:toma@risingnet.net" target="_parent">toma@risingnet.net</a> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top: 0px;" dir="ltr">I don't use Roundup any more
at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is closely related to
2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the Vietnam
vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all
the carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of
Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.</p>
<p dir="ltr">From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been
extensively tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic
properties. I may consider trying it because we have so much
Poison Oak around here.I would still be very careful with it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D
because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there
is no safer alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready
crops. Better get out your cultivators boys.<br>
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Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_parent">meulenms@gmx.com</a>:<br>
> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent
finding that<br>
it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful<br>
with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me
from the<br>
farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but
that's<br>
sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment,
not a<br>
backpack sprayer.<br>
> Mike M<br>
>On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost<br>
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with
less of<br>
a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot
print<br>
of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to
decide<br>
if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I
also<br>
leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical
footprints<br>
are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term
general<br>
consensus.<br>
<br>
>>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison
ivy. <br>
The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When
that<br>
vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.<br>
>>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that
try to<br>
tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt
road. So the<br>
cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control
is of no<br>
financial/chemical footprint concern to me.<br>
>>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much
have<br>
to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters.
But my<br>
poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early
spring.<br>
I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy
while<br>
she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low
bushy<br>
stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.<br>
>>Spencer<br>
>>Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen<br>
Offiler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_parent"><soffiler@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
>>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max<br>
Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to
the<br>
gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per
gallon. I'm<br>
sure it's a better value in larger quantities.
I don't<br>
think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a
gallon.<br>
<br>
>>>SO<br>
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020<br>
at 11:34 PM Mike M <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_parent"><meulenms@gmx.com></a><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's<br>
pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm
going to<br>
try the vinegar solution first because its
cheap<br>
and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if
I had a<br>
small area to clear, but I don't. I'll
report back<br>
the results. Thanks all for the info. <br>
>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
>>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)<br>
>>>>>On Fri, Jun<br>
12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_parent"><meulenms@gmx.com></a><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>I have<br>
scads of poison ivy around my place,
anyone<br>
have a secret recipe<br>
>>>>>> to nuke this
stuff? I'm not overly susceptible<br>
to it, but my daughter<br>
>>>>>> is. Also I've
read that your reaction to it<br>
can change over time.<br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Mike M<br>
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