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<p>Brad: My biggest gripe with the new refrigerants is they always
require more equipment, more money, and more licensing. Why cant
they find something that is affordable..<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/6/2020 3:09 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bloomis@charter.net">bloomis@charter.net</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Out a hole, bad joint, corrosion. If he
didn’t fix the leak then he’ll be adding more. I didn’t say it
couldn’t be a small leak, but still a leak. If it is a split
system it probably holds 4-6 lbs. of refrigerant. A domestic
refrigerator holds less than a pound. I had a little 3’ pie
case that had a leak that I never found. Every 3 months it
would quit. The charge was 6oz of R-12. That is a tiny leak.
So if pie cases, or any other refrigerant system had small
leaks by design, refrigeration mechanics would never go home.
It was at the Piedras Blancas Motel, which closed shortly
thereafter. Forever. <a
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<p class="MsoNormal">The reason the ozone layer and refrigerants
came under scrutiny was primarily due to the automobile. Older
cars were notorious to leak, all averaging 2.5lbs of R-12.
Multiply that by the millions and that is a lot of R-12 into
the atmosphere. I am not going to argue the science, just the
outcome. That effected ALL refrigeration, A/C. When I first
started in the trade when one needed to empty a system for
repair you just blew it out into the atmosphere. Now recovery
machines and a slew of refrigerants. I got out of commercial
refrigeration as the plethora of refrigerants was
overwhelming. You never knew what the last guy put in a
system. Used to be three, R=12 for most medium temp/ some low
temp, R-22 for A/C, and R-502 for low temp. Simple and easy. I
couldn’t work on a new A/C system as I’ve never worked with
410a. Totally different animal. Now it’s already being phased
out. Long live ammonia! Easy, and enviro friendly. Mostly. <br>
Think of a pound of refrigerant like a pound of propane. Most
of us know what that is. Not much. Liquid of course. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 06, 2020 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] While we are OT on Refrigerators.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So an air
conditioning system can't have a small leak that reduces the
level of refrigerant over time? Then why did my son in law
just have to add 2 lbs to our older AC unit? Where did it go?<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/6/2020 2:59 PM, <a
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<p class="MsoPlainText">If it leaks it has a leak. No over
time, no evaporating. A leak. Some repairable some not so
much. Especially on a domestic refrigerator. Gets into cost
of repair exceeds value of equipment. However that could
cause excessive run time but the compartments would be warm,
eventually hot. Dean indicated that temps were OK. Granted
without a thermometer. Calibrated fingers? <span
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Brad<o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [AT] While we are OT on Refrigerators.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I would be suspicious of your
refrigerant level, it can leak over time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 6/5/2020 9:14 PM, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">deanvp@att.net</span></a>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> We have a GE side by side
refrigerator, Model TFX27F, with all the bells and whistles
Front Door Ice and Water dispenser, access door to
refrigerator without opening the big door, etc etc. In
fact we have a duplicate running in our kitchen right now.
This one was used as extra freezer and refrigerator space
for awhile when we moved here 20 years ago and then it was
turned off and not used for at least 10 years. Well in my
current need of making space in the garage I fired it back
up to check everything to get it ready for sale. It freezes
and the refrigerator compartment gets cool like it should,
well I haven't put a thermometer in each compartment, but it
appears to me to be working. Except..... it never quits
running. Not quite true it runs about 95% of the time.
Without having door opened or anything disturbed. We have
had such good luck with this era of combination freezer
refrigerator I thought it might be worth something to those
just getting on their feet. I've cleaned the whole guts
under the compartments and it really wasn't all that bad.
The coils are clean as can be. I doubt this thing is worth
more than $100 running as it should but if I could find a
cheap fix it might be worth spending $20 on a part or so.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> And to satisfy the list needs of
being on topic. I need to make more room for Antique Tractor
stuff I don't need. Any one have a test I can run or a
particular part I can check? I'm pretty proficient
electronics wise. Besides if I could get this running
properly somebody might take this off my hands and I won't
have to deal with getting rid of it. It would take my loader
tractor to get it in to my P/U bed. Big heavy sucker.
Help? PS: I don't remember the last time I threw something
away but I do remember it was traumatic.! <span
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
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