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<p>Thanks Dean. I think both of our 730D were 'black dash' variants
as they both had a very 'automotive type' steering wheel instead
of the rather austere classic steering wheel found on the letter
and 20 series. I never figured out exactly what the difference was
in the transmissions - the shift patterns were completely
different and one tractor had that 'high 5th gear' - they were
pretty close to the same in road gear and 3rd on the one with the
high 5th gear was the same ratio, or nearly so, as 4th on the
other one. Both good machines, I think one of my first cousins has
one of them that he uses on his in-laws farm these days.</p>
<p>I did have a couple of interesting mechanical failures with
steering on 730s but that is a story for another day...time to do
some chores and get some supper.<br>
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<p>Mark J<br>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">All 730D's are pretty much
alike. The Black Dash 720D was only made in 1958 and had
several changes from the Green Dash 1957 720D. There were
several changes to the engine between the two years and then
from then on the 73o's all had the same engine as the 1958
Black Dash 720. There were some clutch improvements also made
between the 1957 and 1958 720D's. However, the most visible
difference between the 1957 720D's and the 1958 720D's are of
course the Black Dash and the Plastic, more deluxe, steering
wheel. I can go into more detail if needed. The 1958 Black
Dash 720D's mechanically are essential the same as the 1959
and 1960 730D's. The 730 changes were all cosmetic and tied JD
over another couple years due to the delay in getting the New
Generation tractors ready for sale. So a 1958 720D is
essentially the same engine, same drive train, same everything
as a 730D except for the tin. There are purist who beleive the
20 Series were the last of the real Two Cylinder tractors. The
change in cosmetics on the 30 series violated that older hood
look that had been around for 25 years or more. As an owner of
a 1958 720D can tell you they are real animals. Also own a
1958 520 and 1958 620. All Black Dashes. My favorite series
of JD tractors. All the Bells and Whistles that one could get
in that era. It was during this era of JD tractors that JD
overtook I/H in the number of Agricultural tractors built per
year in North America. Yes, JD overtook I/h in tractort Sales
with what was supposed to be an obsolete design. The 20 Series
was that good and reliable and due to I/H's mistake of
increasing HP without increasing thje strength of the drive
train in the X60 Series, JD became the leader. I/H upgraded
the X60 Series tractor drive trains out in the field but it
was too late. Then when the JD New generation Tractors came
out in late 1960, 1961 models, JD never looked back and soon
became the leader in Total Agricultural Equipment Sales in the
US. I/H never caught back up and during the farm recession in
the 80's I/H finally had to merge with Case to survive. I/H
line of tractors were very good but too many management
mistakes were made. </div>
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<div> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 04:54:28 AM MST, Mark
Johnson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net"><markjohnson100@centurylink.net></a> wrote: </div>
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<p>The 4020 has repeatedly been voted "Best Tractor of
All Time" in surveys. We never had one, and I never
drove one...so my vote goes to the 730D; we had two.</p>
<p>Dean - what is the difference between a "Black Dash"
730D and a "not Black Dash" - our two had different
gear ratios, for sure - one of them had a 5th gear
that ran about 6-7 mph at rated speed; we always
referred to it as the "going to dinner gear" because
it got you to the house faster, without running the
risk of an upset driving through farm fields in road
gear!</p>
<p>Mark J<br clear="none">
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<div class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690moz-cite-prefix">On
5/19/2020 10:10 PM, <a shape="rect"
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The
only JD Detroit Diesel tractor that comes to
mind is a JD 435 which was only sold for about 2
years in the very late 50’s. I don’t know if any
were used in combines. I agree, the JD 4020 is
probably one of the best engineered and built JD
Tractors ever made. Well with the exception of
the Black Dash JD 720D or 730D! Might want to
throw the Black Dash 820 and 830 into that mix
as well. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:UI
sans-serif;">😊</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Dean VP</span></p>
<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Snohomish, WA 98290</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
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AT <a shape="rect"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean Vinson<br
clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 7:04 AM<br
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter
installation trick on the later two cylinder
JD Tractors.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Thomas,
4020s with Detroit Diesels? Must have been
after-market conversions. And I’d wonder
why. Although I haven’t (yet) owned a 4020 I
include them in my general sense of “hard to
find a better engineered, better built…” etc.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Dean
Vinson</span></p>
<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Saint
Paris, Ohio</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
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AT [<a shape="rect"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br
clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 6:48 AM<br
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<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group <<a shape="rect"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter
installation trick on the later two cylinder
JD Tractors.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;">JD seems to
have a following so they must have done
something right over the years. I have
never owned one just observed some of the
trials of neighbors. We never had that much
trouble on the other brands. Maybe the
neighbors were just bad mechanics.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;">We had a big
land owner that raised thousands of acres of
rice. They had all JD. 4020's and such.
Plus JD combines. I drove the combines when
they were in a pinch for a couple of
summers. I have no problem with the
combines and the 4020 tractors. Except they
looked like a steam engine with all that
black smoke coming out of the stack. Boy
those Detroit Diesels could scream and blow
smoke.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020, 7:40:09 PM CDT, Dean
Vinson <<a shape="rect"
href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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wrote: </span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I like
pretty much all the old tractor
makes, and have a red one, green
one, and a newer (~1980) blue one,
and all three get pretty regular
use. The green one is a 620, same
model Dean VP was describing.
Difficult starter access aside, my
guess is you’d have to hunt pretty
hard to find a better engineered,
better built, more reliable,
tougher-down-to-the-last-breath
series of tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Not that
I’d kick an Oliver 77 out of bed, so
to speak.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Dean
Vinson</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Saint
Paris Ohio</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> AT [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas
Mehrkam<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17,
2020 10:38 AM<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT]
Starter installation trick on
the later two cylinder JD
Tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Why do
you guys LOVE those pain in
the ass John Deer tractors so
much. I have owned
international, Massey Harris,
Massey Ferguson, Oliver and
Miniapalious Moline tractors.
All were acceptable. All of
those tractors still run. :-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">There was
always a lot of Cussing,
Wrench Throwing, Pulling etc
from the JD owners. :-} </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Now I did
it and insulted your Religion.
:-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020,
2:46:43 AM CDT, <a
shape="rect"
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<p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I just
went through a few days of
hassle that caused me to
remove/reinstall</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">the
starter on my 1958 JD 620
high Clearance tractor.
There is an</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">abbreviation
for this procedure called
a complete PITA unless you
know a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">trick I
knew at one time and had
completely forgotten
about. My situation</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">was
compounded by a 10"
shorter battery cable than
what is supposed to be</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">installed.
Mine was 54", the std is
64" that makes it a triple
PITA. I am</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">referring
to all the late Two
Cylinder tractors, letter
and numbered series,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">that have
the starter inside a cast
cavity in the underside of
the main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">case. The
battery cable is fed to an
anodized copper
semi-ridged ribbon the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">connects
to the starter switch
mounted on the starter. To
use the proper</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">terminology
on a JD 620 it is called a
cranking motor. To pull
the started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">one is
supposed to disconnect the
battery cable from this
copper ribbon</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">before
trying to remove the
starter. Well folks
unless all the planets are</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">in
alignment and the nut that
needs to be loosened is
oriented such that you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">can get
to it between the flywheel
and the main case there is
no way in hell</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">that is
going to happen. Well,
unless as JD very casually
mentions that the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">flywheel
may need to be removed.
That is not a casual
decision. So if you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">have to
remove the starter with
the cable still attached,
the battery cable</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">needs to
be worked forward and
downward to provide enough
slack to slide the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">starter
out of the cavity so one
can get to the nut that
holds the battery</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">cable to
the copper ribbon. That
in itself can be
difficult. But now lets</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">say you
are ready to reinstall the
starter with the cable
attached removing</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">the slack
at the starter in inserted
into the round hole in the
main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">casting.
Here come the trick that
will save you all kinds of
grief and time.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">As you
slide the starter cone
into the hole you will all
of a sudden hit a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">dead stop
and are unable to get the
starter further into the
hole. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">What you
will discover is either
the copper ribbon and
bolt/nut tied to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">battery
cable is hitting the
casting or the lever that
actuates the button</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">on the
starter switch is hitting
the cavity hole casting or
both. The</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">cable/copper
ribbon and the starter
switch lever go through an
oblong</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">horizontal
hole above the hole the
starter goes into. So one
comes to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">conclusion
that somehow the battery
cable/copper ribbon is
bent to go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">through
that hole and then somehow
pry the switch lever up
high enough to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">get
thought the upper hole. I
can assure you that just
plain doesn't work.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">BTW, this
is all hidden behind the
flywheel. But what
completely fools you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">is the
starter can be raised
another 1/2" or more in
its hole because the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">whole
cone isn't in yet and the
lever simply slides over
the interference</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">and all
is cool, I will guarantee
you will convince yourself
that the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">starter
can't go higher because it
is in a tight hole. Wrong
it will go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">higher. I
used a floor jack to get
the starter up close to
the cavity and</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">tiled the
starter to get it started
in the hole and then
carefully found the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">center of
gravity of the starter and
lifted that whole sucker
up the extra</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">half inch
or so and boom the lever
and cable/copper ribbon
fall into place</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">by taking
the slack out. Once I did
it the right way I
realized I had been</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">here
before but probably 20
years ago. And then all
the lights started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">blinking.
This trick will save you
hours of frustration and
heartache. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I also
changed the cable to a
longer version even longer
than standard</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">version.
I went to 72" rather than
the std 64" I wanted more
wiggle room.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I never
could really firmly
establish whether the
original cable size was</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">2/0 or
1/0 from the factory but
since there are places
where the cable goes</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">though
that are tight fits the OD
of the cable cannot be
much over 0.5" I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">went out
cable hunting at all the
local Auto Parts stores as
well as Napa.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I found
out there is a bunch of
different cables out there
with varying</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">thickness
of insulation. None fit my
requirement until I found
some 1/0</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Welding
cable. That fit four
requirements. High current
carrying capability,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">OD wasn't
too big, the cable was
reasonably flexible and it
was less</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">expensive
than anything else I had
looked at. Now where do
you get that</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">stuff? Of
course at a welding supply
store except the closest
one for me is</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">a bit of
a hike so I went to a
"Batteries Plus" dealer.
Sure enough had</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">exactly
what I needed. Cable cut
to length. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">So I hope
this might save you some
time and grief you when
you work on the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">late
letter series and numbered
series Two Cylinder JD
starter issues. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">BTW, the
thing that caused me to
remove the starter to
begin with was a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">complete
misdiagnosis on my part.
!@#$%^&*( Starter
went dead. Made the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">assumption
the starter switch had
gone bad because I knew I
had a good</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">battery
and 12 Volts at the
starter switch. The real
problem was I had a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">resistive
ground between the battery
cable and the battery box
and then to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">top it
off an even more resistive
ground (15K ohms) between
the battery box</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">and the
rest of the tractor. Now
why did this all seem to
happen when I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">thought I
was going to go to a
plowing day . I Power
Washed the tractor</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">which I
hadn't done in a long
time. Rust developed
immediately where it</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ydpd4d80f9byiv1054062690msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">doesn't
belong. So the moral of
this story is to never
wash your tractor.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Snohomish,
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href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><a
shape="rect"
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></span><span
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