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<p>The 4020 has repeatedly been voted "Best Tractor of All Time" in
surveys. We never had one, and I never drove one...so my vote goes
to the 730D; we had two.</p>
<p>Dean - what is the difference between a "Black Dash" 730D and a
"not Black Dash" - our two had different gear ratios, for sure -
one of them had a 5th gear that ran about 6-7 mph at rated speed;
we always referred to it as the "going to dinner gear" because it
got you to the house faster, without running the risk of an upset
driving through farm fields in road gear!</p>
<p>Mark J<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/19/2020 10:10 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
only JD Detroit Diesel tractor that comes to mind is a JD
435 which was only sold for about 2 years in the very late
50’s. I don’t know if any were used in combines. I agree,
the JD 4020 is probably one of the best engineered and built
JD Tractors ever made. Well with the exception of the Black
Dash JD 720D or 730D! Might want to throw the Black Dash
820 and 830 into that mix as well. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI
Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dean
VP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Snohomish,
WA 98290<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dean Vinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter installation trick on
the later two cylinder JD Tractors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thomas,
4020s with Detroit Diesels? Must have been after-market
conversions. And I’d wonder why. Although I haven’t
(yet) owned a 4020 I include them in my general sense of
“hard to find a better engineered, better built…” etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dean
Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Saint
Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AT
[<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 6:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter installation trick on
the later two cylinder JD Tractors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">JD
seems to have a following so they must have done
something right over the years. I have never owned one
just observed some of the trials of neighbors. We never
had that much trouble on the other brands. Maybe the
neighbors were just bad mechanics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">We
had a big land owner that raised thousands of acres of
rice. They had all JD. 4020's and such. Plus JD
combines. I drove the combines when they were in a
pinch for a couple of summers. I have no problem with
the combines and the 4020 tractors. Except they looked
like a steam engine with all that black smoke coming out
of the stack. Boy those Detroit Diesels could scream
and blow smoke.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020, 7:40:09 PM CDT, Dean Vinson <<a
href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">dean@vinsonfarm.net</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
like pretty much all the old tractor makes, and
have a red one, green one, and a newer (~1980)
blue one, and all three get pretty regular
use. The green one is a 620, same model Dean
VP was describing. Difficult starter access
aside, my guess is you’d have to hunt pretty
hard to find a better engineered, better built,
more reliable, tougher-down-to-the-last-breath
series of tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
that I’d kick an Oliver 77 out of bed, so to
speak.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dean
Vinson</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Saint
Paris Ohio</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
AT [<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2020 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group <<a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter
installation trick on the later two
cylinder JD Tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Why
do you guys LOVE those pain in the ass
John Deer tractors so much. I have owned
international, Massey Harris, Massey
Ferguson, Oliver and Miniapalious Moline
tractors. All were acceptable. All of
those tractors still run. :-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">There
was always a lot of Cussing, Wrench
Throwing, Pulling etc from the JD owners.
:-} </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Now
I did it and insulted your Religion. :-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020, 2:46:43 AM CDT, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>>
wrote: </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
just went through a few days of hassle
that caused me to remove/reinstall</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">the
starter on my 1958 JD 620 high
Clearance tractor. There is an</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">abbreviation
for this procedure called a complete
PITA unless you know a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">trick
I knew at one time and had completely
forgotten about. My situation</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">was
compounded by a 10" shorter battery
cable than what is supposed to be</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">installed.
Mine was 54", the std is 64" that
makes it a triple PITA. I am</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">referring
to all the late Two Cylinder tractors,
letter and numbered series,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">that
have the starter inside a cast cavity
in the underside of the main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">case.
The battery cable is fed to an
anodized copper semi-ridged ribbon the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">connects
to the starter switch mounted on the
starter. To use the proper</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">terminology
on a JD 620 it is called a cranking
motor. To pull the started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">one
is supposed to disconnect the battery
cable from this copper ribbon</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">before
trying to remove the starter. Well
folks unless all the planets are</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">in
alignment and the nut that needs to be
loosened is oriented such that you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">can
get to it between the flywheel and the
main case there is no way in hell</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">that
is going to happen. Well, unless as
JD very casually mentions that the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">flywheel
may need to be removed. That is not a
casual decision. So if you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">have
to remove the starter with the cable
still attached, the battery cable</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">needs
to be worked forward and downward to
provide enough slack to slide the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">starter
out of the cavity so one can get to
the nut that holds the battery</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">cable
to the copper ribbon. That in itself
can be difficult. But now lets</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">say
you are ready to reinstall the starter
with the cable attached removing</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">the
slack at the starter in inserted into
the round hole in the main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">casting.
Here come the trick that will save you
all kinds of grief and time.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">As
you slide the starter cone into the
hole you will all of a sudden hit a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">dead
stop and are unable to get the starter
further into the hole. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">What
you will discover is either the copper
ribbon and bolt/nut tied to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">battery
cable is hitting the casting or the
lever that actuates the button</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">on
the starter switch is hitting the
cavity hole casting or both. The</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">cable/copper
ribbon and the starter switch lever go
through an oblong</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">horizontal
hole above the hole the starter goes
into. So one comes to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">conclusion
that somehow the battery cable/copper
ribbon is bent to go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">through
that hole and then somehow pry the
switch lever up high enough to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">get
thought the upper hole. I can assure
you that just plain doesn't work.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">BTW,
this is all hidden behind the
flywheel. But what completely fools
you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">is
the starter can be raised another 1/2"
or more in its hole because the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">whole
cone isn't in yet and the lever simply
slides over the interference</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and
all is cool, I will guarantee you will
convince yourself that the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">starter
can't go higher because it is in a
tight hole. Wrong it will go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">higher.
I used a floor jack to get the starter
up close to the cavity and</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">tiled
the starter to get it started in the
hole and then carefully found the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">center
of gravity of the starter and lifted
that whole sucker up the extra</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">half
inch or so and boom the lever and
cable/copper ribbon fall into place</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">by
taking the slack out. Once I did it
the right way I realized I had been</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">here
before but probably 20 years ago. And
then all the lights started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">blinking.
This trick will save you hours of
frustration and heartache. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
also changed the cable to a longer
version even longer than standard</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">version.
I went to 72" rather than the std 64"
I wanted more wiggle room.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
never could really firmly establish
whether the original cable size was</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">2/0
or 1/0 from the factory but since
there are places where the cable goes</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">though
that are tight fits the OD of the
cable cannot be much over 0.5" I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">went
out cable hunting at all the local
Auto Parts stores as well as Napa.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
found out there is a bunch of
different cables out there with
varying</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">thickness
of insulation. None fit my requirement
until I found some 1/0</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Welding
cable. That fit four requirements.
High current carrying capability,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">OD
wasn't too big, the cable was
reasonably flexible and it was less</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">expensive
than anything else I had looked at.
Now where do you get that</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">stuff?
Of course at a welding supply store
except the closest one for me is</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">a
bit of a hike so I went to a
"Batteries Plus" dealer. Sure enough
had</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">exactly
what I needed. Cable cut to length. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">So
I hope this might save you some time
and grief you when you work on the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">late
letter series and numbered series Two
Cylinder JD starter issues. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">BTW,
the thing that caused me to remove the
starter to begin with was a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">complete
misdiagnosis on my part.
!@#$%^&*( Starter went dead. Made
the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">assumption
the starter switch had gone bad
because I knew I had a good</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">battery
and 12 Volts at the starter switch.
The real problem was I had a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">resistive
ground between the battery cable and
the battery box and then to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">top
it off an even more resistive ground
(15K ohms) between the battery box</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and
the rest of the tractor. Now why did
this all seem to happen when I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">thought
I was going to go to a plowing day .
I Power Washed the tractor</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">which
I hadn't done in a long time. Rust
developed immediately where it</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">doesn't
belong. So the moral of this story is
to never wash your tractor.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Dean
VP</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Snohomish,
WA 98290</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">_______________________________________________</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">AT
mailing list</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
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