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<p>A 4020 is the highest priced tractor for its age at all the Farm
sales around here..<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2020 9:04 AM, Dean Vinson
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thomas,
4020s with Detroit Diesels? Must have been after-market
conversions. And I’d wonder why. Although I haven’t
(yet) owned a 4020 I include them in my general sense of
“hard to find a better engineered, better built…” etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dean
Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Saint
Paris, Ohio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AT
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 6:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter installation trick on
the later two cylinder JD Tractors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">JD
seems to have a following so they must have done
something right over the years. I have never owned one
just observed some of the trials of neighbors. We never
had that much trouble on the other brands. Maybe the
neighbors were just bad mechanics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">We
had a big land owner that raised thousands of acres of
rice. They had all JD. 4020's and such. Plus JD
combines. I drove the combines when they were in a
pinch for a couple of summers. I have no problem with
the combines and the 4020 tractors. Except they looked
like a steam engine with all that black smoke coming out
of the stack. Boy those Detroit Diesels could scream
and blow smoke.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020, 7:40:09 PM CDT, Dean Vinson <<a
href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">dean@vinsonfarm.net</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
like pretty much all the old tractor makes, and
have a red one, green one, and a newer (~1980)
blue one, and all three get pretty regular
use. The green one is a 620, same model Dean
VP was describing. Difficult starter access
aside, my guess is you’d have to hunt pretty
hard to find a better engineered, better built,
more reliable, tougher-down-to-the-last-breath
series of tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
that I’d kick an Oliver 77 out of bed, so to
speak.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dean
Vinson</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Saint
Paris Ohio</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
AT [<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ustonThomas Mehrkam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2020 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group <<a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Starter
installation trick on the later two
cylinder JD Tractors.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Why
do you guys LOVE those pain in the ass
John Deer tractors so much. I have owned
international, Massey Harris, Massey
Ferguson, Oliver and Miniapalious Moline
tractors. All were acceptable. All of
those tractors still run. :-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">There
was always a lot of Cussing, Wrench
Throwing, Pulling etc from the JD owners.
:-} </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Now
I did it and insulted your Religion. :-}</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Sunday, May 17, 2020, 2:46:43 AM CDT, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>>
wrote: </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
just went through a few days of hassle
that caused me to remove/reinstall</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">the
starter on my 1958 JD 620 high
Clearance tractor. There is an</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">abbreviation
for this procedure called a complete
PITA unless you know a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">trick
I knew at one time and had completely
forgotten about. My situation</span><span
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">was
compounded by a 10" shorter battery
cable than what is supposed to be</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">installed.
Mine was 54", the std is 64" that
makes it a triple PITA. I am</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">referring
to all the late Two Cylinder tractors,
letter and numbered series,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">that
have the starter inside a cast cavity
in the underside of the main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">case.
The battery cable is fed to an
anodized copper semi-ridged ribbon the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">connects
to the starter switch mounted on the
starter. To use the proper</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">terminology
on a JD 620 it is called a cranking
motor. To pull the started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">one
is supposed to disconnect the battery
cable from this copper ribbon</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">before
trying to remove the starter. Well
folks unless all the planets are</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">in
alignment and the nut that needs to be
loosened is oriented such that you</span><span
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">can
get to it between the flywheel and the
main case there is no way in hell</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">that
is going to happen. Well, unless as
JD very casually mentions that the</span><span
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">flywheel
may need to be removed. That is not a
casual decision. So if you</span><span
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">have
to remove the starter with the cable
still attached, the battery cable</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">needs
to be worked forward and downward to
provide enough slack to slide the</span><span
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<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">starter
out of the cavity so one can get to
the nut that holds the battery</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">cable
to the copper ribbon. That in itself
can be difficult. But now lets</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">say
you are ready to reinstall the starter
with the cable attached removing</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">the
slack at the starter in inserted into
the round hole in the main</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">casting.
Here come the trick that will save you
all kinds of grief and time.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">As
you slide the starter cone into the
hole you will all of a sudden hit a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">dead
stop and are unable to get the starter
further into the hole. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">What
you will discover is either the copper
ribbon and bolt/nut tied to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">battery
cable is hitting the casting or the
lever that actuates the button</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">on
the starter switch is hitting the
cavity hole casting or both. The</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">cable/copper
ribbon and the starter switch lever go
through an oblong</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">horizontal
hole above the hole the starter goes
into. So one comes to the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">conclusion
that somehow the battery cable/copper
ribbon is bent to go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">through
that hole and then somehow pry the
switch lever up high enough to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">get
thought the upper hole. I can assure
you that just plain doesn't work.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">BTW,
this is all hidden behind the
flywheel. But what completely fools
you</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">is
the starter can be raised another 1/2"
or more in its hole because the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">whole
cone isn't in yet and the lever simply
slides over the interference</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and
all is cool, I will guarantee you will
convince yourself that the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">starter
can't go higher because it is in a
tight hole. Wrong it will go</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">higher.
I used a floor jack to get the starter
up close to the cavity and</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">tiled
the starter to get it started in the
hole and then carefully found the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">center
of gravity of the starter and lifted
that whole sucker up the extra</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">half
inch or so and boom the lever and
cable/copper ribbon fall into place</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">by
taking the slack out. Once I did it
the right way I realized I had been</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">here
before but probably 20 years ago. And
then all the lights started</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">blinking.
This trick will save you hours of
frustration and heartache. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
also changed the cable to a longer
version even longer than standard</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">version.
I went to 72" rather than the std 64"
I wanted more wiggle room.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
never could really firmly establish
whether the original cable size was</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">2/0
or 1/0 from the factory but since
there are places where the cable goes</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">though
that are tight fits the OD of the
cable cannot be much over 0.5" I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">went
out cable hunting at all the local
Auto Parts stores as well as Napa.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
found out there is a bunch of
different cables out there with
varying</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">thickness
of insulation. None fit my requirement
until I found some 1/0</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Welding
cable. That fit four requirements.
High current carrying capability,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">OD
wasn't too big, the cable was
reasonably flexible and it was less</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">expensive
than anything else I had looked at.
Now where do you get that</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">stuff?
Of course at a welding supply store
except the closest one for me is</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">a
bit of a hike so I went to a
"Batteries Plus" dealer. Sure enough
had</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">exactly
what I needed. Cable cut to length. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">So
I hope this might save you some time
and grief you when you work on the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">late
letter series and numbered series Two
Cylinder JD starter issues. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">BTW,
the thing that caused me to remove the
starter to begin with was a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">complete
misdiagnosis on my part.
!@#$%^&*( Starter went dead. Made
the</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">assumption
the starter switch had gone bad
because I knew I had a good</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">battery
and 12 Volts at the starter switch.
The real problem was I had a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">resistive
ground between the battery cable and
the battery box and then to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">top
it off an even more resistive ground
(15K ohms) between the battery box</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and
the rest of the tractor. Now why did
this all seem to happen when I</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">thought
I was going to go to a plowing day .
I Power Washed the tractor</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">which
I hadn't done in a long time. Rust
developed immediately where it</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">doesn't
belong. So the moral of this story is
to never wash your tractor.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Dean
VP</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Snohomish,
WA 98290</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv1160036549msonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">_______________________________________________</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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