<div dir="ltr">Will do Mike. I appreciate all the help and interest in helping me find a solution to this problem. Many very experienced and knowledgeable people on here and I certainly enjoy reading everything and many times learning things. We haven't gotten very much further with this due to some other pressing things, but will. New injectors made no difference at all. Just today however, the guys are working on a four cylinder version of this Kubota engine and sent me the attached video clip. Sounds very similar to my noise. Weak valve spring in the head, see what you all think. If you click on this, at the bottom it says "go to link" and it will get you there. Sorry, haven't been on a computer since I retired and just got my laptop back from my son who fixed it, so figuring how to get this texted video to attach to the email was a chore and not sure if this was the way, but it worked! Lol<div><br></div><div>Dave Maynard</div><div>The Maple Hill Farm</div><div>Marion, NY<br><div><a href="https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J">https://r3---sn-vgqsrnek.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1587249885&ei=vWabXuqQJ-yPir4PnP2b0Ag&ip=74.69.206.141&id=8e77dec671cecdd0&itag=37&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mh=4G&mm=30&mn=sn-vgqsrnek&ms=nxu&mv=u&mvi=2&pl=23&sc=yes&susc=ph&app=fife&mime=video/mp4&cnr=14&dur=6.153&lmt=1587239101906161&mt=1587242304&sparams=expire,ei,ip,id,itag,source,requiressl,susc,app,mime,cnr,dur,lmt&sig=AJpPlLswRQIhAMem1LR4HFWc9FRrnjAuULSl_8Hct2cwBUMJvVjpSp08AiAKJ78mrFHMS8CdrtzfOAcROoIhrd9w_-3bWHzQSXHX_A==&lsparams=mh,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl,sc&lsig=ALrAebAwRAIgOvaXXGqqyzob2OV9veVkI84nmv2LSX6Pa1YivEL5jbMCIFnKOojXR0kxcC_cjLU_y9tvAbOImRgjUxXal3_let-J</a> <br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Keep us updated Dave, this has been an interesting and informative
thread.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div>On 4/8/2020 12:57 PM, Dave Maynard
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">By the way, not even sure if this has the wrong
rod, just been guessing until we can get it in and apart. I
wonder though if there could be residual fuel from an unfinished
burn caused by yet unknown reason. Maybe carbon buildup in pre
combustion chamber which may cause higher compression or poor
atomization. Maybe Cecil's thought of loose or cracked pre
combustion chamber. Unseen crack in the head, causing an
improper mixture, or maybe even a piston pin bearing we missed.
Still dont know how soon we can get it inside and apart, as we
need to get a place ready. Don't want it apart outside, and this
time it could be apart a little longer than the others.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 12:46 PM
Dave Maynard <<a href="mailto:dave@themaplehillfarm.com" target="_blank">dave@themaplehillfarm.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this
tractor. That is a post my son Mike made back when we first
got it. You may recognize him on here as Mangus.
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<div dir="auto">Dave M</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58
AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">A Google search for <span>kubota
M5700 engine noise </span> turns up a thread on
tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with
exactly the same problem. Knock piston 5. You
might follow this thread to see if there was a
solution <br>
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<div> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT,
Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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<p>I think the possibility of leftover fuel on
the piston might be the problem. Steve O
may have figured it out. It has been many
years since I did a compression analysis.
Old Dog forgets older tricks thing!!!<br clear="none">
Maybe you can get an application list for
the rod number??<br clear="none">
Cecil<br clear="none">
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<div>By reducing compression, would ignition
take place at the proper time? Would
combustion be complete, or would there be
leftover fuel that could change things on
next compression stroke, and maybe pre
ignite causing the knock?
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<div>Dave</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18
AM Stephen Offiler <<a rel="nofollow
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<div dir="ltr">I just worked out some
math. That engine is 87mm bore x 92mm
stroke. 23:1 compression. Swept
volume is .547 liter,
giving combustion chamber volume of
.0238 liter. Now, what-if the con rod
was 1mm too short? That adds .0059
liter to the combustion chamber, now
.0297 liter, which drops compression
down to 18.4:1
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at
7:02 PM Doug Tallman <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer
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<p><font size="+1">The rod being
too short can't change
injector timing or cause
pre-ignition. It would just
mean less compression because
the piston wouldn't come up as
far. Doug T</font><br clear="none">
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<div>On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave
Maynard wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>I know the piston is
correct as we replaced it. But
James makes a good point to
ponder, if the rod is too
short, it may change injector
timing.
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<div>Dave</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 6,
2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer
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<div dir="ltr">Or the wrong
Piston ( too short or tall
) .</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr
6, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave
Maynard <<a rel="nofollow
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<div>Actually, did not
check length of
connecting rod and its
clearance from head at
TDC. But it's not
traveling to close to
the head as there
would be damage
showing. Just have
this new concern about
the wrong rod being
put in by mistake, but
that would have been
short, not long.
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<div>Dave</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon,
Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM
Mike M <<a rel="nofollow
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<div> When you had
it apart, did you
check all the
piston,ring and
bearing
clearances?<br clear="none">
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Mike M<br clear="none">
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<div>On 4/6/2020
11:35 AM, Dave
Maynard wrote:<br clear="none">
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>No sleeves
in this
engine.
Someone had
this engine
apart before
and #5 had a
new piston and
rod and
bearings. The
seller said it
was his
father's
tractor since
new and never
been
apart....he
lied! There
was more RTV
on oil pan
than you could
imagine and
obviously that
piston and rod
and bearings
had been
replaced and I
thought they
had been
chasing the
noise. Unless
there was some
other reason,
but dont
know.
<div> My
friend and
mechanic help
has a Jacobson
mower he's is
rebuilding
that has a 4
cylinder
version of
this motor
that appears
identical
except the
number of
cyl's. He
found the rod
to be the same
except it a
tweak shorter
by an almost
immeasurable
amount, maybe
.005 or .010.
Part number is
almost the
same except
last digit and
now I'm
wondering if
that could be
someone's
mistake. Would
shorter rod
cause
preignition?
By the way,
there is no
part number on
the rods so
they would
have to be
accurately
measured.</div>
<div> It's
going to be a
bit before I
can get this
back apart
again, but
hoping to have
this fixed in
time to plow.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
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<div>Dave</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, Apr 6,
2020, 9:08 AM
Cecil Bearden
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<p>That was
one of my
thoughts, but
my experience
has been that
the liner
movement was a
double "thud"
once on down
stroke and
once on
upstroke. <br clear="none">
Cecil<br clear="none">
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<div>On
4/6/2020 1:12
AM, <a rel="nofollow
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<div> <font size="2">Cylinder
liner loose.
Don't know if
this engine
even has
cylinder
liners if it
does and that
liner is
moving you
would get
click. Did you
look carefully
at the head
when you had
it off and
look for any
sign of head
distress?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">I
would do a
compression
check as well.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Gary</font></div>
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2020, at 9:59
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cracked
injector lines
one at a time,
and it gets
quieter on #5</span></div>
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<div>But only
on #5?</div>
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<div>When you
crack the
others the
engine misses,
but the noise
remains?</div>
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<div>I wonder
if something
about cylinder
5 is somehow
different so
that the
compression is
higher, and so
it’s igniting
(pre-igniting)
too much
before top
dead centre in
just that
cylinder?</div>
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<div>Eg #5
piston
slightly
higher than
the other 4?</div>
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