<div dir="ltr">Short answer, cellular capability and memory.<div><br></div><div>SO</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:39 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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OK, so here is what is available to me through my daughter. Why the
wild differences in prices? It appears that they all have the same
Chipset and Co-processor, am I missing something?<br>
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<a href="https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4" target="_blank">https://computershowcase.umich.edu/category.php?cat=4</a><br>
<br>
Thank-you,<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
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<div>On 4/14/2020 5:46 PM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Go for it Bob! I am now doing my level best to
work from home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a
CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-) I am just reorganizing work
flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in the
shop to be on the floor. At home my iMac becomes the portal to
my Windowns workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the
management software. It left me wanting a separate screen for
email, spreadsheets, word processing. I installed Linux Mint
19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop that was top of the line in
2008, and it works like a charm. Learning curve is minimal. I'd
say I was productive with it the same day.
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<div>Steve O.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38
PM <a href="mailto:rbrooks@hvc.rr.com" target="_blank">rbrooks@hvc.rr.com</a>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Mike<br>
<br>
I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage We bought
it for my daighter gor college and a new work one. The older
one is slso slow snd will not run a lot of the newer programs,
excuse me “Apps”. Both ate WiFi only the new one runs with no
issues. The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with
some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running windows 7<br>
<br>
All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older
laptops that the group has me convinced I should try linux on<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, <a href="mailto:szabelski@wildblue.net" target="_blank">szabelski@wildblue.net</a> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Mike,<br>
> <br>
> If your wife’s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn’t have
the latest OS, which is why she’s probably running slow and
getting all the ads. My wife and I both have newer I-pads, and
we don’t have that issue. Our only issue is that we have to
get our internet through a dish since we can’t get any cable
out here.<br>
> <br>
> My wife’s older I-pad had the same issues before we up
greased.<br>
> <br>
> Carl<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)<br>
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers<br>
> <br>
> Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad, if
they do offer<br>
> student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we can
use. I'm not<br>
> anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in college
with Windows<br>
> using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even though
superior, would<br>
> not grant licensing for their operating system, so most
software was<br>
> written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a
better product,<br>
> but at times it doesn't play well with others. The reason
my wife's<br>
> I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party ad
blocking<br>
> software for it. My windows machine is much faster due to
the fact I can<br>
> run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and
rarely see an ad.<br>
> I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the other
day and had to<br>
> go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the problem.
Holy crap, if I<br>
> had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday, I
wouldn't use<br>
> the Internet.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Mike M<br>
> <br>
>> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:<br>
>> First off: great gift idea. I’m sure she’ll
appreciate it.<br>
>> <br>
>> Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and
their partners can’t<br>
>> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might save
at Newegg may not<br>
>> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty
good. In addition if<br>
>> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins.
At least get some<br>
>> credit on your wife’s current iPad.<br>
>> <br>
>> Also get the model that is just “iPad“. There is an
iPad Pro, iPad<br>
>> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need.
32 GB model<br>
>> should be plenty as well since she doesn’t use the
camera. Might<br>
>> want to double check her current usage tho to be
sure. She might<br>
>> also start using the camera when she sees how good
the camera has gotten.<br>
>> <br>
>> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years.
If she has any<br>
>> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check
on getting an<br>
>> adapter. I guess that can come after the
unwrapping.<br>
>> <br>
>> As an aside: I’ve been doing software for a living
for a long time<br>
>> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to
use Apple<br>
>> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they’re
really good products<br>
>> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to
support their<br>
>> customers, back their product and protect your
privacy. Those are<br>
>> important things to me. Full disclosure: I have a
personal Mac and a<br>
>> work Mac.<br>
>> <br>
>> Good luck!<br>
>> <br>
>> Spencer<br>
>> <br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> <br>
>>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that
way. I have always<br>
>>> found that I get the most bang for my computer
buck if I buy last<br>
>>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need
the absolute latest<br>
>>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a
feature that I'm not<br>
>>> concerned about. What model has the fastest
processing speed, and<br>
>>> will give me the most bang for my buck?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>> Mike M<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
>>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg...,
now I want an iPad!<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> SO<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple
refurbished and the Newegg site.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote:<br>
>>>>> Hi Mike,<br>
>>>>> Have you ever thought about trying
Newegg? I don't know if<br>
>>>> they sell<br>
>>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my
story.<br>
>>>>> Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook.
One of my buddies is an<br>
>>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am
visually impaired, I thought<br>
>>>> I'd be<br>
>>>>> nice and give him some business, even
though I can go buy a<br>
>>>> computer<br>
>>>>> and set it up myself.<br>
>>>>> Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of
it. Jump ahead to<br>
>>>> December of<br>
>>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye
in January. I thought<br>
>>>> I would<br>
>>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong.<br>
>>>>> Since I am a power user, I knew a new
computer was in order.<br>
>>>> I needed<br>
>>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do
the basics, but I host an<br>
>>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live
events, do the books for my<br>
>>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For
everything I needed, the<br>
>>>> thing was<br>
>>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and
bought the same exact<br>
>>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with
it now. I would check on<br>
>>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants.
I would bet they<br>
>>>> have it.<br>
>>>>> Tractor note: I really need to get the
Oliver 770 out and<br>
>>>> ready to go<br>
>>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to
cold and rainy to do so.<br>
>>>>> Good Luck,<br>
>>>>> Tyler Juranek<br>
>>>>> IA<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this
is coming, I just hear<br>
>>>> her complain<br>
>>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a
new one. I have a love/hate<br>
>>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they
work, but man are they spendy.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a
12” iPad. I thought it too<br>
>>>> big and pricey<br>
>>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good
thing. Ever since she has spent<br>
>>>> a good part of<br>
>>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for
all kinds of things. Even<br>
>>>> lugged it along<br>
>>>>>>> on a round the world trip
(ignoring my advice) and had WiFi<br>
>>>> on ship and<br>
>>>>>>> hotels for most of trip.<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM,
Cecil Bearden<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years
of marriage in August is just<br>
>>>> pony up the<br>
>>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she
wants and don't try to<br>
>>>> influence her<br>
>>>>>>>> decision. That way if the
one she gets is obsolete or has<br>
>>>> to be changed<br>
>>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It
shouldn't be your fault. Note I said<br>
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't.................<br>
>>>>>>>> Cecil<br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM,
Spencer Yost wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your
cell carrier might have specials<br>
>>>> on tablets as<br>
>>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or
contract renewal promotions. You<br>
>>>> might want to look<br>
>>>>>>>>> into that. I am with
AT&T and I know I just heard of a<br>
>>>> deal where if<br>
>>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your
renewal the pad was free or <br>
>>>> real cheap.<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual
with my luck, the deal comes out<br>
>>>> just a few<br>
>>>>>>>>> months after we
traded/renews my wife’s iPhone...<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020,
at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:claudekyker@gmail.com" target="_blank">claudekyker@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:claudekyker@gmail.com" target="_blank">claudekyker@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Something to be
aware of is whether to get “WIFI only “<br>
>>>> or get one<br>
>>>>>>>>>> that is capable of
using cellular data. WIFI only is good<br>
>>>> when you have<br>
>>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,
cellular data can be used anywhere cel<br>
>>>> signal is<br>
>>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying
what you need, just making sure you<br>
>>>> are aware.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>> Claude<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020,
at 4:42 PM, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I
wanted to hear, but it sounds like a<br>
>>>> newer Apple is<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All
their work computers are Windows based<br>
>>>> and sometimes<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> they<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> just don't play
together well.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are not
many choices.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Google has
decided that androids are phones and so the<br>
>>>> tablet<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> offerings
have a bit of a not quite there feel. They<br>
>>>> work, but there<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> are rough
edges depending on how the specific<br>
>>>> manufacturer supports<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung
might okay as they have budget). Google<br>
>>>> wants to push the<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrome
platform but that is targeted at laptops and low<br>
>>>> powered<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and
so again as a tablet it can work but might<br>
>>>> be rough<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> edges.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard
good things about the Microsoft surface<br>
>>>> line, it again is<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but
reports are it is an okay tablet when you<br>
>>>> detach the<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard.
Reports all agree though, a lot of the<br>
>>>> hardware lacks<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> robustness
and will break if you look at it wrong. Pay<br>
>>>> extra for<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> business
class and get a good brand.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are
also Linux tablets, but even the enthusiasts<br>
>>>> admit they are<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for
real use. This might actually change this<br>
>>>> year, we will<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> see...<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why
the iPad is the tablet most people with a<br>
>>>> tablet get.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else
is there.<br>
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