<div dir="auto">The tractor in NY you are referring to IS this tractor. That is a post my son Mike made back when we first got it. You may recognize him on here as Mangus.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dave M</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:58 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir="ltr">A Google search for  <span>kubota M5700 engine noise </span> turns up a thread on tractorbytenet about a tractor in new york with exactly the same problem.  Knock piston 5.  You might follow this thread to see if there was a solution <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/413832-m5700-knock-other-questions.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">M5700 'Knock' and other questions</a></div><div><br></div><div id="m_-1492703640572686617ydp83a9d15eenhancr_card_6504166733" style="max-width:400px;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/413832-m5700-knock-other-questions.html" style="text-decoration-line:none!important;text-decoration-style:solid!important;text-decoration-color:currentcolor!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important" rel="nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank"><table style="max-width:400px" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="400"><table style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224,228,233);border-radius:2px" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td><table style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228,233)" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="background-color:#ffffff;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0 0 0 2px"></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0 0 2px 0"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);max-width:314px">M5700 'Knock' and other questions</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,167)">My father picked up a M5700 this weekend. Overall its in nice shape, but we have a couple things we are trying t...</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
        
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                    On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 9:36:42 AM CDT, Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:
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    <p>I think the possibility of leftover fuel on the piston might be
      the problem.  Steve O may have figured it out.  It has been many
      years since I did a compression analysis.  Old Dog forgets older
      tricks thing!!!<br clear="none">
      Maybe you can get an application list for the rod number??<br clear="none">
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      </blockquote></div></div><div id="m_-1492703640572686617yiv7312004050yqtfd65902"><div><div>By reducing compression, would ignition take place
        at the proper time? Would combustion be complete, or would there
        be leftover fuel that could change things on next compression
        stroke, and maybe pre ignite causing the knock?
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        <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 5:18 AM
          Stephen Offiler <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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          <div dir="ltr">I just worked out some math.  That engine is
            87mm bore x 92mm stroke.  23:1 compression.  Swept volume is
            .547 liter, giving combustion chamber volume of .0238
            liter.  Now, what-if the con rod was 1mm too short?  That
            adds .0059 liter to the combustion chamber, now .0297 liter,
            which drops compression down to 18.4:1
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            <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at
              7:02 PM Doug Tallman <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:dtallman@accnorwalk.com" target="_blank">dtallman@accnorwalk.com</a>>
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                <p><font size="+1">The rod being too short can't change
                    injector timing or cause pre-ignition. It would just
                    mean less compression because the piston wouldn't
                    come up as far.  Doug T</font><br clear="none">
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                <div>On 4/6/2020 6:24 PM, Dave Maynard wrote:<br clear="none">
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                  <div>I know the piston is correct as we
                    replaced it. But James makes a good point to ponder,
                    if the rod is too short, it may change injector
                    timing.
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 6,
                      2020, 6:03 PM Bo Hinch <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:bohinch@gmail.com" target="_blank">bohinch@gmail.com</a>>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Or the wrong Piston ( too short or
                        tall ) .</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 6,
                          2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Maynard <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:dave@themaplehillfarm.com" target="_blank">dave@themaplehillfarm.com</a>>
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                          <div>Actually, did not check length
                            of connecting rod and its clearance from
                            head at TDC. But it's not traveling to close
                            to the head as there would be damage
                            showing. Just have this new concern about
                            the wrong rod being put in by mistake, but
                            that would have been short, not long.
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                            <div dir="ltr">On Mon,
                              Apr 6, 2020, 1:01 PM Mike M <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
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                              <div> When you had it
                                apart, did you check all the piston,ring
                                and bearing clearances?<br clear="none">
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                                Mike M<br clear="none">
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                                <div>On 4/6/2020 11:35 AM, Dave Maynard
                                  wrote:<br clear="none">
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                                  <div>No sleeves in this
                                    engine. Someone had this engine
                                    apart before and #5 had a new piston
                                    and rod and bearings. The seller
                                    said it was his father's tractor
                                    since new and never been apart....he
                                    lied! There was more RTV on oil pan
                                    than you could imagine and obviously
                                    that piston and rod and bearings had
                                    been replaced and I thought they had
                                    been chasing the noise. Unless there
                                    was some other reason, but dont
                                    know. 
                                    <div>     My friend and
                                      mechanic help has a Jacobson mower
                                      he's is rebuilding that has a 4
                                      cylinder version of this motor
                                      that appears identical except the
                                      number of cyl's. He found the rod
                                      to be the same except it a tweak
                                      shorter by an almost immeasurable
                                      amount, maybe .005 or .010. Part
                                      number is almost the same except
                                      last digit and now I'm wondering
                                      if that could be someone's
                                      mistake. Would shorter rod cause
                                      preignition? By the way, there is
                                      no part number on the rods so they
                                      would have to be accurately
                                      measured.</div>
                                    <div>     It's going to
                                      be a bit before I can get this
                                      back apart again, but hoping to
                                      have this fixed in time to plow.</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">On
                                      Mon, Apr 6, 2020, 9:08 AM Cecil
                                      Bearden <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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                                        <p>That was one of my thoughts,
                                          but my experience has been
                                          that the liner movement was a
                                          double "thud" once on down
                                          stroke and once on upstroke. 
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                                          Cecil<br clear="none">
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                                        <div>On 4/6/2020 1:12 AM, <a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:k7jdj@aol.com" target="_blank">k7jdj@aol.com</a>
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                                            <div> <font size="2">Cylinder
                                                liner loose.  Don't know
                                                if this engine even has
                                                cylinder liners if it
                                                does and that liner is
                                                moving you would get
                                                click. Did you look
                                                carefully at the head
                                                when you had it off and
                                                look for any sign of
                                                head distress?</font></div>
                                            <div><font size="2">I would
                                                do a compression check
                                                as well.</font></div>
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                                            <div><font size="2">Gary</font></div>
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                                            <div><font size="2">Renton,
                                                WA.</font><br clear="none">
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                                              From: Roger Moffat <a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:rogerkiwi@gmail.com" target="_blank"><rogerkiwi@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
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                                              Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020
                                              7:43 pm<br clear="none">
                                              Subject: Re: [AT] Kubota
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                                                        <div>On Apr 5,
                                                          2020, at 9:59
                                                          PM, Dave
                                                          Maynard <<a rel="nofollow noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:dave@themaplehillfarm.com" target="_blank">dave@themaplehillfarm.com</a>>
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                                                        <div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Have
                                                          cracked
                                                          injector lines
                                                          one at a time,
                                                          and it gets
                                                          quieter on #5</span></div>
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                                                  <div>But only on #5?</div>
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                                                  <div>When you crack
                                                    the others the
                                                    engine misses, but
                                                    the noise remains?</div>
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                                                  <div>I wonder if
                                                    something about
                                                    cylinder 5 is
                                                    somehow different so
                                                    that the compression
                                                    is higher, and so
                                                    it’s igniting
                                                    (pre-igniting) too
                                                    much before top dead
                                                    centre in just that
                                                    cylinder?</div>
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                                                  <div>Eg #5 piston
                                                    slightly higher than
                                                    the other 4?</div>
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                                                  <div>Roger</div>
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