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<DIV>The Ypsilanti Museum is located in a building that was originally a Hudson
dealership. Last I knew, it had a Fraser Rototiller on display.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Becker</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jamesgpeck@hotmail.com>James Peck</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:27 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=agtronixjv@southcom.com.au>John Maddock</A> ; <A
title=at@lists.antique-tractor.com>Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in
Fergusons</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Society of Automotive Historians showed the Hudson movie in a building in
Ypsilanti that was full of collector cars. It is some sort of group where you
rent a space. Some ice machines there but no tractors.</SPAN></DIV>
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entereted into a discussion with a man who had an English sounding accent. When
I asked him what he knew about the Standard engines used in Ferguson tractors he
was able to add two points.</SPAN></DIV>
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father had owned a gasoline engine Standard Vanguard.Sounded like it had been
too much a plane jane car to win his approval. He drives a Jaguar.</SPAN></DIV>
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man had been Chief Engineer of a car company, Jensen, that manufactured
automobiles with the Ferguson Four Wheel drive system. He mentioned that the 4wd
drive version of the Jensen FF was not exported to the US because the 4wd
configuration did not permit making the car as a left hand drive.</SPAN></DIV>
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the company folded, all the documentation was dumpstered. Sounded like He had
regrets that he did not privatize some.</SPAN></DIV>
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afternoon events were held at the Ypsilati museum that displayed Hudsons,
Kaiser-Frasers, Henry J, a Lincoln with a Hydramatic transmissions, as well as
fwd and rwd Hydramatic trnsmissions, a rotarty engine built by GM, and Corvair
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>From:</B> James Peck
<jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:32
PM<BR><B>To:</B> John Maddock <agtronixjv@southcom.com.au>; Antique
Tractor Email Discussion Group
<at@lists.antique-tractor.com><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AT] Two variations
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was at an event today where a movie was shown about the Hudson brand of
automobiles. One early Hudson developed engine actually got the compression
ratio up to 5:1. I had not been aware of the number of automobile technical
advances made by Hudson. Hudson's were still on the road in my
youth.</SPAN></DIV>
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Continental Z120 engine used in the TO-20 had a compression ratio of only
6.1:1.</SPAN></DIV>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>From:</B> AT
<at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of James Peck
<jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:35
AM<BR><B>To:</B> John Maddock <agtronixjv@southcom.com.au>; Antique
Tractor Email Discussion Group
<at@lists.antique-tractor.com><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AT] Two variations
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6.5:1 compression ratio for the TO-30 with Z129 Continental and the TO-35 with
Standard 23C at 20:1 compression ratio and slightly larger piston diameter you
are right that the 23C engine can't be hand cranked by most people.</SPAN></DIV>
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in the fifties the Massey Ferguson sheet metal no longer has crank holes in the
front.</SPAN></DIV>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif"><B>From:</B> AT
<at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of John Maddock
<agtronixjv@southcom.com.au><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:52
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
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<DIV class=x_x_PlainText>Could the 23C be hand cranked? I've never owned
one, but I doubt that it <BR>could be cranked over the first compression
stroke!<BR><BR><BR>> The gasoline Continental engines had a reputation for
cracking. I never<BR>> saw it.<BR>><BR>> They could be hand cranked and
my dad had a crank. It was kept hanging by<BR>> putting the long end down
next to the hydraulic lift lever.<BR>><BR>> Could the 23C be hand
cranked?<BR>><BR>> <A
href="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ferg&th=80142">https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ferg&th=80142</A><BR>>
________________________________<BR>> From: AT
<at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of James Peck<BR>>
<jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 12:43
AM<BR>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<at@lists.antique-tractor.com>;<BR>> Thomas Martin
<tmartin@xtra.co.nz><BR>> Subject: [AT] Two variations of Standard
diesel used in Fergusons<BR>><BR>> -So Thomas, are the 20C and 23C the two
variations of Standard diesel<BR>> engines you mention?<BR>><BR>>
Standard Vanguard 80mm and 85mm 4-Cyl Petrol or Kero Engine<BR>> Standard
Vanguard 20C 4-Cylinder Diesel Engine ​<BR>> Standard Vanguard 87mm 4-Cyl
Petrol ​<BR>> Standard Vanguard 23C 4-Cyl Diesel Engine<BR>><BR>> I
had been unaware that the 23C had been used in TO35s assembled in<BR>>
Detroit until this thread came along.<BR>><BR>> My understanding is that
Standard started out assembling TE20s using<BR>> Continental Z120 engines and
that Standard then used the Z120 as the<BR>> starting point for their engine.
What is your understanding?<BR>> ________________________________<BR>>
From: Jim Peck <jamesgpeck@yahoo.com><BR>> Sent: Friday, February 14,
2020 5:09 PM<BR>> To: jamesgpeck@hotmail.com
<jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><BR>> Subject:<BR>><BR>> This Australian
source carries parts for 5 Standard engines including the<BR>> 23C. In my
opinion they do not sell rotary injection pumps, high pressure<BR>> diesel
fuel lines, and injectors because those are available though fuel<BR>>
injection dealers.<BR>><BR>> <A
href="https://waggatractorparts.com/ecommerce/category/791-standard-23c-engine?limitstart=20">https://waggatractorparts.com/ecommerce/category/791-standard-23c-engine?limitstart=20</A><BR>>
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