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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Anyone interested in this rivet tool Amazon has this tool for $18 something with free freight. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Dean VP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Apache Junction, AZ<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> AT <at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cecil Bearden<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 9, 2020 9:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> at@lists.antique-tractor.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersink<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Yo might take a look at this <a href="https://www.ecklers.com/brake-shoe-lining-riveting-tool-removes-and-installs-47-68184-1.html">https://www.ecklers.com/brake-shoe-lining-riveting-tool-removes-and-installs-47-68184-1.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Cecil<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3/9/2020 9:05 AM, <a href="mailto:jdnut@aol.com">jdnut@aol.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A bit of an update on this, since I think I started this thread. Thanks for all that responded. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>In looking at some of the antique car sites.... it looks to me like the Pliobond HT-30 adhesive available from McMaster for about $46 per quart is probably a reasonable choice to bond the linings to the brake shoes. The drawback is that it needs to be cured for 30 minutes at 300 degrees. Given that there are places where it can't be sent... I suspect there are fumes involved, thus not for home kitchen use. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Some of the car people mentioned using JB Weld, .... but due to the lower melting point compared to the Pliobond, most of the people thought it was a safety hazard in cars. Supposedly, the JB Weld can stand 500 degrees F, with short transients to 600 degrees. In my tractor usage, it is not like I am using my brakes down a long steep highway hill. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I have been doing some removal of brakes from part of my herd, and I have quite a bit of brake lining work ahead. For the most part, I am planning on doing the combination of adhesive (probably JB Weld) and rivets. For the linings that I have to drill and countersink the holes, I followed the advice of one of the respondents, and purchased a set of brad point bits from HF, along with some of the little circular stops that can be put on the bits. I need to file the cutters on the outside of the bits flat with the rest of the bit, but overall I felt pretty good about the HF purchase. McMaster also looks to be a decent place to buy rivets. I figure the adhesive will help hold things in place better than vice grips when doing the drilling and countersinking. I pretty much work by myself, this is a job that another pair of hands might be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>If I have a measure of success, I will send along some pictures.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks again, take care, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Maxwell, Ferndale CA <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Indiana Robinson <a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"><robinson46176@gmail.com></a><br>To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 3:49 pm<br>Subject: Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersink<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv5936866449><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I Googled brake shoe adhesive and got a boat load of stuff. I suspect that a lot of auto parts places have it on hand, especially someplace like NAPA stock it or can at least order it. One site for Raybestos says it has it in quart cans. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>A combination of adhesive and rivets would probably be a good move.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv5936866449yqt32162><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:57 AM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I had a contact who had retired from the former Detroit axle facility of chrysler. He made the point that that facility had an extremely wide range of manufacturing processes, including bonding brake linings to shoes. <br><br>Cecil Bearden AT List member, Oklahoma farmer, and Professional Engineer (<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>); Just an afterthought. Most brake shoes are bonded. A heat curing glue is used to glue the shoe to the lining. If you can find the glue the rivets would hold the lining on until the glue would set. I have a brake shoe oven, bought long ago at a Chrysler dealership that started out as a blacksmith shop in the late 1800's. However, the glue can was empty and no label.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-- <br><br>Francis Robinson<br>aka "farmer"<br>Central Indiana USA<br><a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com">robinson46176@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt22177><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AT mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>