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<p>If you have rivet holes drilled, you could use bolts and washers
to hold the linings while they baked. Or, just buy an old RV
oven and run it on propane bottle...<br>
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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">hmm,
if I could make my clamps small enough, good idea. I could
maybe also use it to harden the paint on small parts like bolts,
etc. take care, John<br>
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From: Keith Kinney <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kkinney@herculesengines.com"><kkinney@herculesengines.com></a><br>
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the adhesive to 300 degrees why not go to a few yard
sales and pick up a cheap toaster oven?</div>
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A bit of an update on this, since I think I
started this thread. Thanks for all that
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<div class="yiv8942778665">In looking at some
of the antique car sites.... it looks to me
like the Pliobond HT-30 adhesive available
from McMaster for about $46 per quart is
probably a reasonable choice to bond the
linings to the brake shoes. The drawback is
that it needs to be cured for 30 minutes at
300 degrees. Given that there are places
where it can't be sent... I suspect there
are fumes involved, thus not for home
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<div class="yiv8942778665">Some of the car
people mentioned using JB Weld, .... but due
to the lower melting point compared to the
Pliobond, most of the people thought it was
a safety hazard in cars. Supposedly, the JB
Weld can stand 500 degrees F, with short
transients to 600 degrees. In my tractor
usage, it is not like I am using my brakes
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<div class="yiv8942778665">I have been doing
some removal of brakes from part of my herd,
and I have quite a bit of brake lining work
ahead. For the most part, I am planning on
doing the combination of adhesive (probably
JB Weld) and rivets. For the linings that I
have to drill and countersink the holes, I
followed the advice of one of the
respondents, and purchased a set of brad
point bits from HF, along with some of the
little circular stops that can be put on the
bits. I need to file the cutters on the
outside of the bits flat with the rest of
the bit, but overall I felt pretty good
about the HF purchase. McMaster also looks
to be a decent place to buy rivets. I
figure the adhesive will help hold things in
place better than vice grips when doing the
drilling and countersinking. I pretty much
work by myself, this is a job that another
pair of hands might be useful.</div>
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<div class="yiv8942778665">If I have a measure
of success, I will send along some pictures.</div>
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Googled brake shoe adhesive and got
a boat load of stuff. I suspect that
a lot of auto parts places have it
on hand, especially someplace like
NAPA stock it or can at least order
it. One site for Raybestos says it
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I had a contact who had retired
from the former Detroit axle
facility of chrysler. He made
the point that that facility had
an extremely wide range of
manufacturing processes,
including bonding brake linings
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Just an afterthought. Most
brake shoes are bonded. A heat
curing glue is used to glue the
shoe to the lining. If you can
find the glue the rivets would
hold the lining on until the
glue would set. I have a brake
shoe oven, bought long ago at a
Chrysler dealership that started
out as a blacksmith shop in the
late 1800's. However, the glue
can was empty and no label.<br
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