<div dir="ltr">I remember a Hudson joke from the early 1950's... It "might" have been a Bob Hope joke.<div>"How are the Hudson River and the Hudson automobile alike?</div><div>For both of them you step down to get in..." </div><div>For you kids, The Hudson was advertised as "The car you step down to get in." since the floor was lower than the rocker panel area instead of flat across. I guess Hudson was first?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 8:32 PM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span>I was at an event today where a movie was shown about the Hudson brand of automobiles. One early Hudson developed engine actually got the compression ratio up to 5:1. I had not been aware of the number of automobile technical advances made by Hudson.
Hudson's were still on the road in my youth.</span></div>
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<span>The Continental Z120 engine used in the TO-20 had a compression ratio of only 6.1:1.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Maddock <<a href="mailto:agtronixjv@southcom.com.au" target="_blank">agtronixjv@southcom.com.au</a>>; Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons</font>
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<span>At 6.5:1 compression ratio for the TO-30 with Z129 Continental and the TO-35 with Standard 23C at 20:1 compression ratio and slightly larger piston diameter you are right that the 23C engine can't be hand cranked by most people.</span></div>
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<span>Sometime in the fifties the Massey Ferguson sheet metal no longer has crank holes in the front.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 5, 2020 1:52 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons</font>
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<div>Could the 23C be hand cranked? I've never owned one, but I doubt that it
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could be cranked over the first compression stroke!<br>
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> The gasoline Continental engines had a reputation for cracking. I never<br>
> saw it.<br>
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> They could be hand cranked and my dad had a crank. It was kept hanging by<br>
> putting the long end down next to the hydraulic lift lever.<br>
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> Could the 23C be hand cranked?<br>
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> <a href="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ferg&th=80142" target="_blank">
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> From: AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> on behalf of James Peck<br>
> <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 12:43 AM<br>
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>;<br>
> Thomas Martin <<a href="mailto:tmartin@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank">tmartin@xtra.co.nz</a>><br>
> Subject: [AT] Two variations of Standard diesel used in Fergusons<br>
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> -So Thomas, are the 20C and 23C the two variations of Standard diesel<br>
> engines you mention?<br>
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> Standard Vanguard 80mm and 85mm 4-Cyl Petrol or Kero Engine<br>
> Standard Vanguard 20C 4-Cylinder Diesel Engine ​<br>
> Standard Vanguard 87mm 4-Cyl Petrol ​<br>
> Standard Vanguard 23C 4-Cyl Diesel Engine<br>
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> I had been unaware that the 23C had been used in TO35s assembled in<br>
> Detroit until this thread came along.<br>
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> My understanding is that Standard started out assembling TE20s using<br>
> Continental Z120 engines and that Standard then used the Z120 as the<br>
> starting point for their engine. What is your understanding?<br>
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> From: Jim Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 5:09 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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> This Australian source carries parts for 5 Standard engines including the<br>
> 23C. In my opinion they do not sell rotary injection pumps, high pressure<br>
> diesel fuel lines, and injectors because those are available though fuel<br>
> injection dealers.<br>
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> <a href="https://waggatractorparts.com/ecommerce/category/791-standard-23c-engine?limitstart=20" target="_blank">
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>-- <br><br>Francis Robinson<br>aka "farmer"<br>Central Indiana USA<br><a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div></div></div>